I don't think it will be easy to avoid this question as the viewing numbers for this programme tell us that the Brits are very interested in what Nick Griffin actually believes in.

I think it was brave of the BBC to give him the chance to air his views on network TV as because we live in a democratic society even the worst kind of minority political parties should be allowed a voice.

It appears that Griffin showed his true self when he was put to the test as he supported the Klu-Klux-Klan and called Sir Winston Churchill a fascist.

I would like to think that after this appearance on the telly the people of Britain might not dally with this racist bigot or his distasteful party any more.

What we need now is for mainstream governments to kick the feet from this mob by dealing with the subjects that connect them with the knuckle-draggers of Britain.

The person in my opinion who came out bad on this programme was actually Jack Straw.
Sat there with his career liberalist smug grin on his face, and had no proper answers on immigration from his party!!!

No wonder people turn to UKIP or the BNP!

It's about time the two main political parties and the Liberal party debate the issue of immigration, and not behave like spineless muppets that Jack Straw, Gordon Brown and David Cameron are!

Also the audience on BBC's Question Time always connist of the left wing luvvie types with a few foreign types to make up the numbers so no wonder the BNP got shafted!

wheel.

wheel wrote:The person in my opinion who came out bad on this programme was actually Jack Straw.
Sat there with his career liberalist smug grin on his face, and had no proper answers on immigration from his party!!!

No wonder people turn to UKIP or the BNP!

It's about time the two main political parties and the Liberal party debate the issue of immigration, and not behave like spineless muppets that Jack Straw, Gordon Brown and David Cameron are!

Also the audience on BBC's Question Time always consist of the left wing luvvie types with a few foreign types to make up the numbers so no wonder the BNP got shafted!

wheel.

While I am sure that the audience was "picked" in a very special way and the list of questions allowed were very "directional" in their format, I still think that Nick Griffin came across as exactly what he is; a bigot and a closet racist.

Wheel....You are of course dead right that if the present government had dealt with our immigration problems face on many thousands of people would not now be dragging their knuckles over to the BNP or to the UKIP parties.

The present government and it's policies have to carry most of the blame for how successful the BNP have been in the local and European elections. If the country had been run correctly from the start this noxious group of neo-facists would never have got off the ground. In any case, a recent poll showed that the BNP can still only muster a very small vote in the great scheme of things so this shows that they still only have a very limited support from the electorate at large.

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In any case, a recent poll showed that the BNP can still only muster a very small vote in the great scheme of things so this shows that they still only have a very limited support from the electorate at large.

Half the information on this poll!

Who was asked?
White indiginous people or a cross section of all ethnic groups?

The former would show a higher support for the BNP.

wheel.

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It would be very difficult to do such a poll only using white anglo-saxons as pollsters as that would not only not be representative of the whole but it would be very close to fraud.

Anyway, I have great confidence that even if a "multi-culti" group of people were part of such a poll they too would come down hard on the BNP. After all it is exactly these people that the BNP and other xenophobic parties are biased against.

Nick Griffin did admit he had a few skeletons in the cupboard that made him look bad on the show, well I think in all honesty he didn't get the chance to speak over the baying mob of communists and put his explanation across. People keep forgetting that this is supposed to be a democracy and people should be allowed to express their opinion and explain themselves.

When he was confronted about the KKK I heard him say (over the screaming) that he shared a platform with them and that it was no worse than Bliar sharing a platform with Sinn Fein, or come to think of it the people in the panel can now be accused of sharing a platform with a racist as well.

Despite not being a member of any political party, despite having tolerance over other cultures as long as they abide by our values and do not try to take over, I DO agree with many of the BNPs policies, not because it is the BNP because to me they are sound policies. Policies that maybe our ruling elite should have implemented years ago.

Andrew

The trouble with being seduced by the BNP because they have a few plausible policies, ( specifically designed to entrap the reasonable people that feel that the main parties are not doing a good job ), is that the people that DO go over there have to accept their polices of hate and prejudice along with their more easily-accepted ones if they choose to support that group.

Nick Griffin, ( an ex-member of the National Front - now outlawed BTW ), is intelligent enough to know that there will be many people who are disenchanted with the main parties that might be attracted to his mob simply because they feel that their needs are not being addressed by any other party.

THIS...is not a good enough reason for anyone to give any allegience to such a party of extremists and hate-mongers.

Yes Paps, that is exactly how they work. They ensnare the most vulnerable and most easily led people who in their naivety think that the BNP are going to somehow help them get what they want.

The only people that will get help from the BNP are the ones that lead it, run it and support it from an extremist stance. The rest is just smoke and mirrors.

If the people who go to the BNP from the centre ground cannot see the insidiousness of this nasty mob then they are a bunch of very unintelligent people and they deserve what they will get once inside that particular cabal.

"The trouble with being seduced by the BNP because they have a few plausible policies, ( specifically designed to entrap the reasonable people that feel that the main parties are not doing a good job ), is that the people that DO go over there have to accept their polices of hate and prejudice along with their more easily-accepted ones if they choose to support that group."

Well I will say the "main" parties have done nothing for this country, all they have done is stripped every asset worth mentioning, taxed us to hell and back and flooded the country with far too many people than we can cope with. Is it beyond reason that we question and interrogate the "main" parties with the enthusiasm it was done to Mr. Griffin? No. People would be mightly upset that Straw was flustered or Cameroon was taken aback because the truth is these people CAN'T handle difficult questions. The press want to keep the illusion of the two party state going and thus they dare furnish the "main" politicians with difficult questions that will expose them as serial liars. If it's good enough for griffin then lets see others get the whip?

"Nick Griffin, ( an ex-member of the National Front - now outlawed BTW ), is intelligent enough to know that there will be many people who are disenchanted with the main parties that might be attracted to his mob simply because they feel that their needs are not being addressed by any other party."

I wonder why straw didn't admit to once being a member of the communist party, or admit that most of his labour chums were once too members; most probably still are. Now communism is responsible for the pain, death and suffering of millions of people so would that not raise some suspicions about the people leading us now?

My opinion is politicians are FAR too comfortable in this country, they are all patting each other on the back and skimming millions of tax money while pretending to be "opposition".

Andrew

Hi Andy.

I think you are making the mistake of trying to compare the Klu-Klux-Klan with Sinn-Fein and the Facists with the Communists when these groups are just not comparable.

Out there extremism is extremism anywhere you find it and to argue that they are somehow analagous with the middle of the road is a dangerous thing to do

Actually, when you look at these far out political and socialogical groups closely enough you find that their policies at the most extreme ends often turn full circle and start to look very similar to each other even if they actually start at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

In other words, terrorists and racists and bigots and extreme thinkers are all very similar if they are taken out of their plausible hidey-holes and shown up for what they actually are.

To allow ones-self to be dragged into their sick ways of thinking just because the mainstream politicians have failed to do what they were given the remit to do is a situation that can do nobody, in or out of these groups, any good at all.

To do that is an ill-thought-out reaction and a case of seriously misplaced loyalty.

Personally, I would hate to be connected in any way to any of these people as if I was I would be afraid that I might be tarred with the same brush as they are.

Anyway folks, thanks for all of your interest and comments on my threadstarter as if we do not get such ways of thinking and doing out into the open they will just fester and grow in the dark.

I think you are making the mistake of trying to compare the Klu-Klux-Klan with Sinn-Fein and the Facists with the Communists when these groups are just not comparable.

Nope I know what I was saying and I wasn't comparing any groups, I was stating that sharing a platform with any extremist group is not only confined to the BNP, our leaders know only too well the suffering they have caused by for example playing certain factions against each other to manipulate wars, mass killings and suffering only for them to come along as the "peace" player to stop the killing and brutality. Iraq springs to mind as one example.

To allow ones-self to be dragged into their sick ways of thinking just because the mainstream politicians have failed to do what they were given the remit to do is a situation that can do nobody, in or out of these groups, any good at all.

I don't know why you think I am being "dragged" into a sick way of thinking as being concerned with immigration is not in my mind a sick thing? I think your idea of mainstream politicians is a dangerous one though because you have to ask what makes them mainstream, and does that excuse them for the pain, suffering and death they are causing here and worldwide with their sick social and geo-political engineering policies?

Andrew said:

I don't know why you think I am being "dragged" into a sick way of thinking as being concerned with immigration is not in my mind a sick thing? I think your idea of mainstream politicians is a dangerous one though because you have to ask what makes them mainstream, and does that excuse them for the pain, suffering and death they are causing here and worldwide with their sick social and geo-political engineering policies?

I think that you have explained exactly what our Angie is getting at here by that statement.

If any person uses the immigration problem argument to try to accidentally or even deliberately support the likes of the BNP they are playing right into the hands of that noxious mob. THIS IS their way into main-stream politics as they know that if their real reasons for being ever get out they will be immediately trashed by the more aware, straight and clear-thinking members of the electorate.

The BNP and their oh-so plausible leader are working this one very well and it is sad that people who want to sort out the immigration problem have to go to this bunch of hate-mongers to do it.

"The BNP and their oh-so plausible leader are working this one very well and it is sad that people who want to sort out the immigration problem have to go to this bunch of hate-mongers to do it."

So what do YOU suggest then?

Andrew

Believe me Andrew, I understand that this IS a problem that needs sorting. Having said that I DO NOT think that we should be going to the BNP to get the job done.

The British National Party - made up from many ex-members of the now outlawed National Front - including their illustrious leader, only have one agenda; to try their hardest to breed hatred and division between what they call the "indigenous" Brits and the recent incomers. They hide this true agenda behind what a number of gullible people now see as a political possibility when if they stopped to think about it for even a second they would realise that this mob are just another single-line bunch of misfits that are looking for some credence and respectability among the rest of the established political groups.

The best tack to take here is to try our hardest to make the encumbent government or the one coming in, ( probably a Tory one ), service this problem well enough for the BNP to wither and die, which they should and will once this subject is taken out of their hateful hands.