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    This is labour government

    Post by wrinkles on Thu 24 Sep 2009, 1:02 pm

    I got this in an email this morning, it's been around for a while but still relevant even though Papa and Invanhoe won't like it
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    THIS IS LABOUR GOVERNMENT

    REST OF THE WORLD VERSION:

    The squirrel works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building and improving his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

    The grasshopper thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the squirrel is warm and well fed.

    The shivering grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

    THE END

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    LABOUR GOVERNMENT THE UK VERSION:

    The squirrel works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

    Come winter, the squirrel is warm and well fed.

    A social worker finds the shivering grasshopper, calls a press conference and demands to know why the squirrel should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others less fortunate, like the grasshopper, are cold and starving.

    The BBC shows up to provide live coverage of the shivering grasshopper; with cuts to a video of the squirrel in his comfortable warm home with a table laden with food.

    The British press inform people that they should be ashamed that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so, while others have plenty.

    The Labour Party, Greenpeace, Animal Rights and The Grasshopper Council of GB demonstrate in front of the squirrel's house. The BBC, interrupting a cultural festival special from Notting Hill with breaking news, broadcasts a multi-cultural choir singing 'We shall overcome'.

    Ken Livingstone rants in an interview with Trevor McDonald that the squirrel got rich off the backs of grasshoppers, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the squirrel to make him pay his 'fair share' and increases the charge for squirrels to enter inner London .

    In response to pressure from the media, the Government drafts the Economic Equity and Grasshopper anti Discrimination Act, retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

    The squirrel's taxes are reassessed. He is taken to court and fined for failing to hire grasshoppers as builders for the work he was doing on his home and an additional fine for contempt when he told the court the grasshopper did not want to work. The grasshopper is provided with a council house, financial aid to furnish it and an account with a local taxi firm to ensure he can be socially mobile. The squirrel's food is seized and re distributed to the more needy members of society, in this case the grasshopper.

    Without enough money to buy more food, to pay the fine and his newly imposed retroactive taxes, the squirrel has to downsize and start building a new home. The local authority takes over his old home and utilises it as a temporary home for asylum seeking cats who had hijacked a plane to get to Britain as they had to share their country of origin with mice. On arrival they tried to blow up the airport because of Britain 's apparent love of dogs.

    The cats had been arrested for the international offence of hijacking and attempted bombing but were immediately released because the police fed them pilchards instead of salmon whilst in custody. Initial moves to return them to their own country were abandoned, because it was feared they would face death by the mice. The cats devise and start a scam to obtain money from people's credit cards.

    A Panorama special shows the grasshopper finishing up the last of the squirrel's food, though spring is still months away, while the council house he is in, crumbles around him because he hasn't bothered to maintain the house. He is shown to be taking [%*^#@!]. Inadequate government funding is blamed for the grasshoppers' drug 'illness'.

    The cats seek recompense in the British courts for their treatment since arrival in UK .

    The grasshopper gets arrested for stabbing an old dog during a burglary to get money for his [%*^#@!] habit. He is imprisoned but released immediately because he has been in custody for a few weeks. He is placed in the care of the probation service to monitor and supervise him.. Within a few weeks he has [%*^#@!] a guinea pig in a botched robbery.

    A commission of enquiry, that will eventually cost 10,000,000 and state the obvious, is set up. Additional money is put into funding a drug rehabilitation scheme for
    grasshoppers and legal aid for lawyers representing asylum seekers is increased. The government praises the asylum-seeking cats for enriching Britain 's multicultural diversity, and dogs are criticised by the government for failing to befriend the cats.

    The grasshopper dies of a drug overdose. The usual sections of the press blame it on the obvious failure of government to address the root causes of despair arising from social inequity and his traumatic experience of prison. They call for the resignation of a government minister.

    The cats are paid a million pounds each because their rights were infringed when the government failed to inform them there were mice in the United Kingdom .

    The squirrel, the dogs and the victims of the hijacking, the bombing, the burglaries and robberies have to pay an additional percentage on their credit cards to cover losses. Their taxes are increased to pay for law and order, and they are told that they will have to work beyond 65 because of a shortfall in government funds.

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    Post by papa_umau on Fri 25 Sep 2009, 12:58 pm

    An excellent and amusing analogy even if it does not REALLY fit correctly with today's so-called Labour government.

    If the squirrel was a hard-working and forward-planning type and got all that he deserved because of this that would be fine, but the squirrel does not get a fair crack of the whip even if he is industrious and prudent. ( that part is so true ).

    The grasshopper is not a typical grasshopper as if he is one of the grasshoppers at the bottom of the pile even if he might want to be as practical and prudent as the squrrel might be he does not get the chance to be in this selfish and greedy country - and world.

    The old adage of the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer still stands as powerfully today as it ever did and if we agree that this is true then we HAVE TO help out the put-upon grasshoppers of this country and this world.

    How we do it could certainly be looked at so that the few - VERY few - lazy good for nothings that the privileged classes are always going on about are recognised and the rest are NOT tarred with the same brush as this few are.

    It is always a dangerous thing to do to try to stereotype any demographic in society and the ones that do are not really looking at the big picture when they tar everybody with that same brush.


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    Post by zathrus on Fri 25 Sep 2009, 2:39 pm

    They are all the bloody same as far as I am concerned !
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    Post by papa_umau on Sat 26 Sep 2009, 12:02 pm

    I guess I couldn't deny that Zath' !

    The only thing that makes them slightly different from each-other is the dogma they follow when they strive to follow the party-line.


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    Post by Angie baby on Sat 26 Sep 2009, 12:07 pm

    I disagree Paps; I think they are all the same in at least one way: They are almost allways there just to feather their own nests and they are seldom there to do what the electorate want.

    This cynical view of politicians is now becoming so prevalent that very soon politics will be left to the zealots and nobody else !
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    Post by riders_on_the_storm on Sun 27 Sep 2009, 2:53 am

    "It is always a dangerous thing to do to try to stereotype any demographic in society and the ones that do are not really looking at the big picture when they tar everybody with that same brush."

    As most people in the poor section of society are tarred as layabout spongers I would have to agree. I do know some poor people who have taken it upon themselves to carve themselves a better life through their own grit and determination (not rely on socialist handouts) but in the majority the above statement does apply that poor people tend to wallow in a mire of self-pity and have a "this world and the successful people owe me a living" type of outlook.

    The generations my parents came from were poor but they worked damn hard to get where they are today so why can't poor people do that now? If anything people have much more chance of success today than they ever have so what's the problem?

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    Post by Frenzied Feline on Sun 27 Sep 2009, 10:30 am

    I was brought up to understand no one owed me my living: I had to work to earn it.


    I was also taught that a fair and decent society is judged by the services it provides for its people in return for their taxes - and that whilst this also helps the needy - we also have an expectation from those we help that they will aspire to a better and more self-fulfilling way of life .. and themselves help those in need in their own turn.


    That's the ideal.

    HIGHLY CYNICAL GEAR engaged in whilst "double de-clutching" Rolling Eyes

    Sadly it does not happen as some (career chavs) take their benefits for granted and refuse to climb out of the "Guellen" because we've maybe made it too easy for them to stay there?

    As for the politicians.. ("professionally qualified in political correctness career chavs") they are sitting in the same Guellen .. but theirs perhaps has a richer stench from the caviar and grapefuits eaten from the solid silver dishes they filched from us in cheating expense claims.


    I still say offering a fair basic wage with all opportunity to develop a job ...offers incentive to all. In addition - I would cap political pay packets and all pay increases for them should be decided via referenda per constituency :hehe: Given our MP and councillors' capabilities as demonstrated to date . they'd still be on the 16-17 year old rate of minimum wage! :hehe:

    I drive a hard bargain Laughing
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    Post by papa_umau on Sun 27 Sep 2009, 12:09 pm

    riders_on_the_storm wrote:"It is always a dangerous thing to do to try to stereotype any demographic in society and the ones that do are not really looking at the big picture when they tar everybody with that same brush."

    As most people in the poor section of society are tarred as layabout spongers I would have to agree. I do know some poor people who have taken it upon themselves to carve themselves a better life through their own grit and determination (not rely on socialist handouts) but in the majority the above statement does apply that poor people tend to wallow in a mire of self-pity and have a "this world and the successful people owe me a living" type of outlook.

    The generations my parents came from were poor but they worked damn hard to get where they are today so why can't poor people do that now? If anything people have much more chance of success today than they ever have so what's the problem?

    Andrew

    Andrew, The great problem is that many - if not all of - the people at the bottom are caught in what is know and recognised as the "poverty trap" and these people have no incentive to get out and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Once a person has been set in that sub-strata of society they find it very difficult to get out of it. Some have the ability to climb out of that deep hole but many just give up and get used to living off the state or take to robbing for a living.

    SOCIETY...is mostly responsible for this situation as once this sub-demographic is seriously ensconsed in that trap they don't seem to care about them. In fact I would go further and say that they are put out of sight and out of mind.

    I too, like you, came from deep poverty and I managed NOT to get caught in that trap so that once I had committed to climbing out I kept climbing. Now I am sitting here comfortably well off and looking back at those bad old days hoping that I can give a hand up to any of the ones down there that need it.

    There will always be the ones that don't want to get out that are happy with their miserable existence but I would hope that they are in the very small minority and not the norm from the poverty-stricken stratas.


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    Post by wrinkles on Mon 28 Sep 2009, 2:50 pm

    I agree that not all the lower paid are on benefit and some will work their way up. I consider myself a case in point. secondary school educated (which equates to grammar school standard today) lived in a country village where the only work was agriculture. Joined the army did well, came out and found work where there was none, Made redundant, again and again but was never out of work for more than 3 months. Eventually having gone from job to better job I have spent the past 23 years in mt present position gained and held by dint of honesty and hard work. I own my home, have no debts, I save for what I want. Thing1 was funded through university and Thing3 is currently attending and will be funded. I don't, and never have, earned big bucks but my wife and I worked hard for long hours to get where we are. However the question that keeps cropping up is Why? Is my neighbour, who has a 4 bedroom house, 4 kids, two cars, 52" plasma TV, New kitchen etc. etc. despite either he and his wife(?) never having worked a day since they left school, is he worse off than me? When and if he becomes old and sick and is put in a home the state will pay his bills. For me? they will take my house to pay for my care regardless that it was my investment for my wife and I's old age. I am soon to retire will I get after a lifetime of paying my dues, even a quarter of the income my neighbour gets?
    Yes there are many in that poverty trap that can not get out, even if they want to, not having the education/intelligence to do so. Whilst there are a good many more who are quite happy to exist on the benefit system which is way out of control
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    Post by papa_umau on Tue 29 Sep 2009, 11:55 am

    I think that the neighbour that you talk of, in all of his signs of affluence, if he is receiving benefits to enable him to live he is certainly not getting enough to have "a 4 bedroom house, 4 kids, two cars, 52" plasma TV, New kitchen etc. etc." as believe it or not, benefits are set at just above the poverty line by the government.

    I too have seen these types and in most cases they are either up to their necks in serious debt to the banks or the local loan-shark and they are struggling along trying to impress the likes of you while they are actually in deep trouble or they are living via criminality.

    In other words, as my wise old Irish gran used to say: "Never judge the book by the cover!"


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    Post by Parliament.... on Tue 29 Sep 2009, 5:23 pm

    Saying "They are all the same" is one big cop out.

    New Labour are Thatcherite in fundamental policy, because traditional Labour were unelectable for 18 years.

    What needs to change are the British, we are a do nothing about anything and everything nation, so we do get the politicians we deserve.
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    Post by papa_umau on Wed 30 Sep 2009, 11:12 am

    Hi Ivanhoe...lovely to see you over here !

    Now maybe I have an ally in my machinations eh ? Laughing

    There is absolutely no doubt that New Labour lurched over to the right in order to try to please the "Tory-thinking" voters of the country. Tony Blair did it to try to make Labour electable again but the lurch to the right has gone too far.

    This may sound strange but that is why I support Gordon Brown against many of the brickbats he has received recently as even although he has made some dire mistakes as PM he is still much closer to traditional Labour values than many are in his cabinet.

    I feel that if he REALLY wants to be a good Prime Minister he is going to have to start listening to the people of Britain instead of the people whispering in his ear.


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    Post by Parliament.... on Wed 30 Sep 2009, 1:20 pm

    Yes you have, and Ive no doubt at all that ive found an ally too.
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    Post by wrinkles on Wed 30 Sep 2009, 3:01 pm

    I hope you are not ganging up on little old me.

    Re My neighbour, I made enquiries and the 4 bed house in this nice road is his wife's(?) left to her by her deceased parents. Apparently it was actually left in trust to the children or some such, they pay rent to the trust. He has some chronic condition that prevents him from working, but not from playing football with the kids, gardening, walking to the shops, driving the kids to school etc. The wife is his full time carer. One of the cars is motability. That info was imparted to me by the local know all who has the knack of knowing everything about everybody, however may not be accurate.

    I still don't know how they maintain the lifestyle, It may be as suggested, some other income, perhaps from crime, perhaps from wheeling and dealing but there is no evidence of anything. Whatsmore my source says that she knew the wifes parents and they were not wealthy,The daughter married and the husband moved in and always appeared to have money.

    Not that it alters the situation as stated, he will get everything paid for, I will pay with my savings.
    Perhaps I should put the house in trust for my Grandkids?

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    Post by Parliament.... on Wed 30 Sep 2009, 3:23 pm

    Say they are all on welfare, what do you think is the answer to this situation ?
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    Post by papa_umau on Thu 01 Oct 2009, 11:42 am

    Wrinkles.....

    That looks like a mixture of great fortune and some serious misfortune !

    Some people can get into a high standard of living - as you say - by inheriting it, but I doubt if anyone who does inherit anything of worth would like to be stuck as disabled too.

    I don't think that family is any way typical of the so-called "benefit freeloaders" might be as believe me, if you are on high benefits you are either badly damaged health-wise or you are surviving from hand to mouth every day.

    I have found that the ones that tar the benefit freeloaders as such are the ones that have never had to subsist on benefits, as believe me, it is no bed of roses to have to do so.


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    Post by zathrus on Fri 02 Oct 2009, 11:38 am

    Got to agree there Paps as I have been on benefits at one time and I can tell you that it was a terrible time.

    You speak about the pensioners surviving on the state pension but I can tell you that social security benefits are even smaller than that.

    The only ones that have any kind of a decent life on benefits are the ones that can prove they are very ill, very disabled and/or simply unemployable.

    I would rather be fit and healthy and earning minimum wage than be trapped in that kind of a life.

    I cannot imagine anybody doing it by choice.
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    Post by wrinkles on Fri 02 Oct 2009, 4:41 pm

    I agree that I wouldn't like to be disabled. I would be interested to find out just what he sufferers from. Whatever it is doesn't appear to prevent him doing much. He's often in the park playing footie, walks back and forth in the road often carrying shopping bags. He gardens and he built the new garden wall himself including all the shovelling of sand and cement. I don't particularly have a beef with the sick and lame it's the lazy that get my goat.
    Some seem to live quite confortably on benefits, take a walk through my local shopping centre on any weekday and it's packed with, obviously jobless, people shopping. They, or at least the majority, certainly don't seem to be short of money.
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    Post by papa_umau on Fri 09 Oct 2009, 11:16 am

    Yeah, there is disabled and then there is DISABLED....I am sure that Cameron and his cronies will sort out these "scroungers" who are on Incapacity Benefit. Crying or Very sad

    The thing is that every government that has come into power and that has renewed its power at each general election ALWAYS take this one as a favourite target and yet year after year the numbers on this benefit never get any less.

    It is a typically soft target that is always part of the promises made before each election, but saying it and actually doing it are two completely different things.


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    wrinkles wrote:I agree that I wouldn't like to be disabled. I would be interested to find out just what he sufferers from. Whatever it is doesn't appear to prevent him doing much. He's often in the park playing footie, walks back and forth in the road often carrying shopping bags. He gardens and he built the new garden wall himself including all the shovelling of sand and cement. I don't particularly have a beef with the sick and lame it's the lazy that get my goat.
    Some seem to live quite confortably on benefits, take a walk through my local shopping centre on any weekday and it's packed with, obviously jobless, people shopping. They, or at least the majority, certainly don't seem to be short of money.

    //////Some seem to live quite confortably on benefits///////

    Oh goody, we have such wisdom on this site. Tell me wrinkles, have you in your life ever been on benefits ?
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    Post by papa_umau on Sun 19 Jun 2011, 2:25 pm

    Speaking for Wrinkles......I doubt it Ivanhoe, as being on benefits is a destructive and debilitating trap.

    While there is no doubt that some regions of Britain have been so badly hit by mass unemployment that many of the people who live in such areas very quickly get caught in that trap and seem to be of the opinion that they will never get out of it.

    In the days of plenty of work and a busy British manufacturing sector most people in Britain preferred to do a day's work for a decent day's pay, but now that our manufacturing sector has been decimated there are just not as many jobs going about.

    To hammer the people on incapacity benefit and to force them rightly or wrongly into searching for work - that is just not there - is a soul-destroying thing to do.

    If any of you remember.... It was a Tory government of the past that tried to fiddle the unemployment figures by redirecting the people on the large unemployment register onto the incapacity benefit register so that the unemployment numbers would get smaller. Now they are sowing the seeds of this foolishness all those years ago when they try to get those thousands of people on incapacity benefit, off benefit and back into employment.


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    papa_umau wrote:I doubt it Ivanhoe as being on benefits is a destructive and debilitating trap.

    While there is no doubt that some regions of Britain have been so badly hit by mass unemployment that many of the people who live in such areas very quickly get caught in that trap and seem to be of the opinion that they will never get out of it.

    In the days of plenty of work and a busy British manufacturing sector most people in Britain preferred to do a day's work for a decent day's pay, but now that our manufacturing sector has been decimated there are just not as many jobs going about.

    To hammer the people on incapacity benefit and to force them rightly or wrongly into searching for work that is just not there is a soul-destroying thing to do.

    If any of you remember.... It was a Tory government of the past that tried to fiddle the unemployment figures by redirecting the people on the large unemployment register onto the incapacity benefit register so that the unemployment numbers would get smaller. Now they are sowing the seeds of this foolishness all those years ago when they try to get those thousands of people on incapacity benefit, off benefit and back into employment.

    Pap, wrinkles has stated the following,-

    //////Some seem to live quite confortably on benefits///////

    I want to know if wrinkles has ever been on benefits ?
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    Post by papa_umau on Sun 19 Jun 2011, 2:59 pm

    Yes, and I replied to your question if you read my piece above this one again !

    "Wrinkles" might not reply as he has not used this forum for quite a while.


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    Post by Parliament.... on Sun 19 Jun 2011, 4:58 pm

    papa_umau wrote:Yes, and I replied to your question if you read my piece above this one again !

    "Wrinkles" might not reply as he has not used this forum for quite a while.

    Wrinkles might not reply because he hasnt got a leg to stand on.
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    Post by papa_umau on Mon 20 Jun 2011, 11:49 am

    Wrinkles, sadly, hasn't written to this thread since: Fri Oct 02, 2009

    He has either gone to the great forum in the sky or he has moved on to pastures new.

    "Any-road-up", ( as my Geordie grannie used to say ), he will be unlikely to be reading your - or my - responses to his last entry on that date.


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