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    Do we believe "call me Dave" Cameron ?

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    Do we believe "call me Dave" Cameron ?

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 15 Aug 2009, 12:37 pm

    An unhealthy state of affairs ?

    According to "call me Dave" Cameron the Tories are now the party of the NHS - even although one of his rising stars has just told the Americans that it's a "Marxist" institution.

    If you believe that, with the greatest respect, you should call your local heath service hospital and book an appointment to get your head examined.

    The sincerity positively oozed out of Cameron yesterday as he tried to dismiss MEP Danniel Hannan's US tirade as "eccentric".

    Forget Thatcher and the savage cuts of the eighties, he effectively told the voters. To put all that nasty internal market business - and all the cash we spent on management consultants instead of nurses - out of your minds.

    The NHS, Cameron insisted was one of the "wonderful things" about Britain.

    You could almost see the desperation behind his "trust me" smile. He knows that if the voters start to doubt his commitment to the health service, his lead in the polls could vanish faster than a dodgy set of tonsils under a skilled surgeon's scalpel.

    Labour, to their credit, didn't let him off the hook. Health Secretary Andy Burnham rightly pointed out that Hannan has "laid bare Tory ambivalence" towards the NHS and exposed "the real face of the nasty Tory party".

    Remember that this is the true party of the private sector - private good, public bad. That's what they STILL believe, no matter how "Dave" chooses to market himself.

    Also remember the close links between the Tories and the US Republicans who are trying to use the "Socialist" NHS as a weapon to attack Barack Obama's health care plans.

    And finally, remember too that a far right zealot called David Hannan still has a lot of highly-placed friends and supporters in Cameron's "caring" Conservative party.


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    Re: Do we believe "call me Dave" Cameron ?

    Post by Angie baby on Sat 15 Aug 2009, 12:59 pm

    Maybe you shouldn't have done away with the political forum as this story would have fitted nicely in there !

    Anyway, I find it amazing that Cameron allows one of his friends to slag off our NHS in America when he tries so hard to convince us that the British NHS is safe in his hands.

    I for one have never believed that the NHS was safe in Tory hands.

    If Cameron and his mob get in next time round we will see very quickly what he thinks of the NHS.
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    Re: Do we believe "call me Dave" Cameron ?

    Post by papa_umau on Sun 16 Aug 2009, 11:53 am

    The problem now is Angie that the voters of Britain are stuck with choosing the best of a bad lot - as they will see it.

    All of the people who previously let Blair in with landslide votes are people who are usually placed in the "floating voters" camp and they are the ones that fall for the great promises of the past.

    I too will NEVER trust the Tories with the NHS as even if Blair and his cohorts had started to privatise anything that they could get away with while they were in power they will be nothing compared with the Tories once they get their hands on the family silver again.


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    Re: Do we believe "call me Dave" Cameron ?

    Post by wrinkles on Tue 08 Sep 2009, 12:39 pm

    Whomever you vote for, you still vote for a politician and the government always gets in
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    Re: Do we believe "call me Dave" Cameron ?

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 08 Sep 2009, 1:13 pm

    So true !

    Someone once said that "the desire to BE a politician should disqualify anybody from being one!"

    The thing is that as much as we might like it we cannot do without them as the country cannot run itself and someone has to be there to make the laws.

    As an ex civil-servant I might say that it is the civil service that are actually running the country but even I know that they cannot be trusted to always do the right thing. When all is said and done it is democracy and the will of the people that have the final say.


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    Re: Do we believe "call me Dave" Cameron ?

    Post by wheel on Tue 15 Sep 2009, 10:57 pm

    Voting Conservative this time round will be a mistake! As Paps may remember that I have supported the Tories over Labour on this forum!

    But to cut public spending in the middle of a recession would be a huge mistake.

    We need more people with jobs to spend and stimulate the economy, which in turn will benefit us all!

    Councils and government employees should not be allowed to be made redundant in times of recession, get rid of staff only when the economy and jobs market is in growth.

    So I for one would actually agree with Labour this time.

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    Re: Do we believe "call me Dave" Cameron ?

    Post by papa_umau on Wed 16 Sep 2009, 11:22 am

    Well said Wheel ! I can admire a man that is thoughtful enough not to just follow political dogma for dogma's sake.

    Maybe this is why our Gordon told the TUC conference that Labour will also make cuts without harming the frontline services.

    He has to compete with Cameron as the possible Prime Minister of the future that will do difficult things that have to be done and everybody knows that the treasury are going to have to make billions of pounds of savings in the years to come.

    These savings should come from cutting down on waste and not from decimating the NHS or the educational needs of our kids and any savings that are made in this direction should NOT effect the spending power of the people as it is this spending power that will lift Britain out of the present recession.

    Personally, I would like to see the Trident extension scrapped, the planned national ID card scrapped and many more quangos closed down. Even these few decisions would save the country billions of pounds that can afford to be saved without damaging our economy.

    I am sure that many of the readers and writers from ROB2 can also suggest other ways to save money without damaging the economy.


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