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    Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

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    Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 26 Jun 2018, 1:18 pm

    A decision by the UK government not to back the world's first tidal power lagoon could have been made 18 months ago, according to the man who led an independent review into the plans.

    Charles Hendry backed the 1.3bn Swansea Bay project in his government-commissioned review of January 2017.

    Business and Energy Secretary Greg Clark said on Monday it was not value for money, but developers reject this.

    Tidal Lagoon Power (TLP) has requested a meeting with UK government ministers.

    The rejection of the lagoon plans has been attacked by local politicians and community leaders.

    Read more on this Tory action In the BBC News HERE




    Sometimes I wonder what drives right-wing politicians to make crazy decisions like this as the denial cannot be based on the VFM reasons.

    Just stop and think how much it costs to build, commission, and decommission nuclear power generating stations as if you do then you will easily find that the building and commissioning and maintenance of lagoon generator turbines is much cheaper than anything else.

    With lagoon generators we get clean power being generated four times a day, EVERY DAY using the flow if the tides.

    This has to come, but why not NOW?


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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by zathrus on Thu 28 Jun 2018, 11:51 am

    I must agree that the cost of building a wall and inserting a few two-way tidal generators must be much cheaper than any other method of power generation, including wind turbine farms.

    Also, once we have these lagoons we can use them for a myriad number of social uses which will bring the original cost of building down quickly.
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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 12:03 pm

    Yes, they would be cheap to build, easy to maintain, and produce lots of CLEAN electricity for our national grid.

    Why there is so much resistance to these types of generators beats me.

    Can anybody suggest why this should be the case ?




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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by Angie baby on Sat 30 Jun 2018, 12:09 pm

    Thanks for the link Papa.

    Although the design looks simple at first glance, looking at the sectional plan shows that to build a watertight wall so far out to sea and back is not so easy or inexpensive after all.
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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by papa_umau on Sun 01 Jul 2018, 12:15 pm

    For the cost of one nuclear power station, including de-commissioning at least ten of these things could be built.

    They would have a much longer life span, they would have no awfully radioactive waste by-product and they would not need to be de-commissioned either.


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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by Hell's Granny on Tue 24 Jul 2018, 1:43 pm

    It's not really out at sea, Angie; It's the Bristol Channel and in a quite sheltered but large bay.

    I think it would help regenerate this part of South Wales; which at present has little to commend it, being very close to the Port Talbot Steel complex. I was very disappointed with the Government's decision.
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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 26 Jul 2018, 11:30 am

    That is only one of the proposed tidal lagoons that is on the cards HG.

    It is expected that such lagoons could be placed in other coastal sites around the country too.

    As a strong supporter of tidal lagoons, as one of the best ways to generate clean electricity, I would hope that they might be looked at again very soon.

    Something else to watch for I think.


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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by Hell's Granny on Thu 26 Jul 2018, 2:57 pm

    I think it far better than the Nuclear plant they have decided to back on Anglesey.
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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 27 Jul 2018, 11:12 am

    And so does many thousands of ordinary people too.

    Nuclear power has a nasty spin-off and that is that it produces atomic-weapons grade Plutonium as a by-product.

    We still make our own nuclear warheads using our own enriched-Uranium and Plutonium which comes from Nuclear power plants.

    A lot of people don't know this is the case.


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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by Hell's Granny on Fri 27 Jul 2018, 11:48 am

    And eventual decommissioning takes decades.

    Not that I would expect the Tory Government to give a damn, the current lot will be long gone when that time comes.
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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 28 Jul 2018, 11:33 am

    Yes HG, sadly things like nuclear power stations can survive past multiple shades of government as closing them down and decommissioning them takes a long time, costs a lot of money, and produces a waste irradiated product that is almost impossible to get rid of safely.

    The enriched uranium and the plutonium is very quickly whisked away to Porton Down or other such places where nuclear warheads are made.


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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by Hell's Granny on Sat 28 Jul 2018, 1:26 pm

    Yep. Porton Down is about 12 miles from where I currently live. Its in the news a lot recently because of the Novichok poisonings.
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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by papa_umau on Sun 29 Jul 2018, 11:25 am

    Yep, Porton Down is the place where all of the greatest nasties are made and tested.

    I wouldn't like to live near that place at all.


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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by Hell's Granny on Sun 29 Jul 2018, 12:09 pm

    I'm offski as soon as I can get moved; buying a disabled bungalow in Wales, but a little complication in the probate process.
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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 31 Jul 2018, 11:17 am

    Yes, it is a bit of a rip-up for people of our age to move home.

    What I am wondering, is why did you not go the whole hog and make your move to wonderful and beautiful Scotland ? Surprised


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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by Hell's Granny on Wed 01 Aug 2018, 12:31 pm

    There are several reasons for choosing Wales over Scotland. Mainly ancestry; my family's roots are in Brittany, with intermarriage with Welsh as close as grandparents; I speak a little Welsh, and the weather is also usually warmer in the Southern latitudes.
    As I now have rheumatoid arthritis, the warmth helps, and I have good friends in Wales.

    Scotland is wild and beautiful; I would love to visit the Highlands and Islands, but travel is difficult for me now; especially by train in a wheelchair!
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    Re: Swansea Bay tidal lagoon rejection decision criticised.

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 02 Aug 2018, 11:34 am

    I am awfully sorry about that HG.

    Don't get me wrong, as I love Wales too.

    Wales gives close access to The Lakes and they are almost as beautiful as our Scottish lochs.

    Best of luck to you in your move HG. I love you


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