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    What chance for a new 'centre ground' party in the UK?

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    What chance for a new 'centre ground' party in the UK?

    Post by papa_umau on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 11:46 am

    New political parties have a remarkably high failure rate in the UK. They almost never succeed - but are things different now ?

    The success of new French President Emmanuel Macron, who created a liberal pro-European party of government, En Marche, from scratch in less than two years, has made some people wonder if it could happen in the UK.

    Conventional wisdom says a fresh face could never rise so rapidly to the top - the first-past-the-post electoral system is biased in favour of the existing "big two" parties, the argument goes.

    But politics is more fast-moving and fluid than it has ever been and there appears, to some at least, to be a gap in the market.

    "The Tories are committing Euro-suicide. Labour is kidding itself that a party with no economic policy can govern. There is a chasm in the middle of British politics," wrote Tony Blair's former speech writer Philip Collins recently in the Times.

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    I find it understandable that this idea can come from a former speech-writer of Tony Blair, as the early days of the Blairite "middle-road" administration could be seen as just such a centre-ground future for British politics.

    Under Blair, the then "New Labour" party were formed up exactly as Macron is talking about.

    We must remember that in the days of New Labour, under Tony Blair, rightly or wrongly, they won two land-slide victories.

    I have to ask the good people of ROB: Could this ever happen again, and with it could we at last move away from hard right and hard left politics in Britain ?


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    Re: What chance for a new 'centre ground' party in the UK?

    Post by Hell's Granny on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 3:26 pm

    I can't see it happening; It took many years for Labour to rise to prominence from humble beginnings.
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    Re: What chance for a new 'centre ground' party in the UK?

    Post by papa_umau on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 11:06 am

    Yes, it would take a very long time to create a true middle-of-the-road party that the great majority of the people could get behind.

    Blair made a very good attempt at it with the New-Labour government, but like most things, his flaws and the war in Iraq quickly brought him and his party to their knees.

    Sadly, Corbyn is not the man to try to re-invigor the Labour party to fill a centre-ground position.


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    Re: What chance for a new 'centre ground' party in the UK?

    Post by zathrus on Fri 21 Jul 2017, 11:53 am

    This vision would not be impossible if a youngish leader with Blair's smarts and also his charisma was to create a truly middle-off-the-road Labour party.

    The country needs a party like that and with the Tories now being in serious trouble it would be a good time to start it right now.

    Corbyn could not do this, but surely there is a person in the Labour party that has these qualities.
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    Re: What chance for a new 'centre ground' party in the UK?

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 12:04 pm

    Must agree with all that Zathrus.

    If any such truly middle-of-the-road party was to rise up and get most of the votes from the middle-left and the middle-right we would find that the old two-party system would be destroyed.

    Macron, in France, seems to have done it, so there is no reason that we in Britain cannot do it too if a "Macron"-type leader could be found here.


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    Re: What chance for a new 'centre ground' party in the UK?

    Post by Angie baby on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 12:12 pm

    What a lovely idea Papa.

    It would take a man, or woman, of vision to re-start the old Labour Party as a true centrist party, like Blair did.

    I was so disappointed when Blair hit the self-destruct button by cosying up to Dubya and getting dragged into the Iraq war.

    I cannot imagine anybody in the present Labour Party that could fill such a post.
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    Re: What chance for a new 'centre ground' party in the UK?

    Post by papa_umau on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 11:08 am

    Me neither Angie.

    Mind you, I have found that when such a person is needed in politics we always see one rising up from the crowd.


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