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    UK recycling figures drop for first time.

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    UK recycling figures drop for first time.

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 1:05 pm

    UK recycling figure drops for first time, figures show

    The Department for Environment Food and Rural Affairs statistics show that 44.3% of household rubbish was recycled in 2015, down from 44.9% in 2014.

    It is the first fall since 2010 when monitoring began, though is still the second-highest annual rate on record.

    Waste company Biffa Municipal warned that recyclables that are not clean can cause "lorry-loads" to be rejected.




    Again, they are blaming us for things that they should have sorted out.

    WE already have up to five different types of recycling bins, which are now only emptied every three weeks and making it difficult for us to separate different materials does not make recycling any easier.


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    Re: UK recycling figures drop for first time.

    Post by Gandhi on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 11:08 am

    This is just statistics Paps - once everyone is 'doing their bit' you would expect small fluctuations about a mean. Your marketing friends call it 'a mature market' where growth is no longer possible.

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    Re: UK recycling figures drop for first time.

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 20 Dec 2016, 4:09 pm

    That, as usual is just utter rubbish, ( excuse the pun ).

    Scotland in particular are one of the best recycling countries of the world and even if it has reached a mean average just now in Britain, improvements to how it is done by households, companies, local authorities, and in general, means that this target cannot be allowed to stagnate as recycling is a dynamic process that has to always be improved on.

    Most entities will not keep doing this improvement unless they are forced to or they receive some incentives for doing it voluntarily.


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    Re: UK recycling figures drop for first time.

    Post by Gandhi on Fri 23 Dec 2016, 8:25 am

    You cannot keep improving - what about once you have reached 100%? Like I said you move towards a mean at which the saving from recycling is exceeded by the cost of recovery. It is called yield paps.

    Given Scotlands population distribution it should be lower than Emgland as it does not make sense to deliver a few kg of waste 100 miles from the highlands to Midlothian where the recycling takes place.

    I was involved in the paper industry for many years so I know a bit about recycling.

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    Re: UK recycling figures drop for first time.

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 23 Dec 2016, 11:47 am

    As the science of recycling improves year on year there is no reason why all or most of our rubbish should not be recycled and made into new stuff.

    The only time when recycling might reach a plateau is when ALL of our rubbish is being recycled.

    Also, recycling need not be a profit making industry where "cost outweighs outlay" as many of the recycling centres are owned and run by the local authorities, who are financed by us via taxation.

    The only time that "yield" comes into it is if it is done by the privateers.

    While it is true that it can be a profit-making industry, just like many other services, we simply cannot trust the profiteers to carry out these services when the ugly profit motive gets in the way.


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    Re: UK recycling figures drop for first time.

    Post by Angie baby on Mon 26 Dec 2016, 1:22 pm

    Gandhi is just not getting it is he ?

    We need to take examples from some of the Nordic countries about how to recycle as they have it down to a fine art.

    If the local authorities do not provide the practical superstructure to us so that we are encouraged to recycle as much as possible then very few people will go out of their way to do it on their own.
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    Re: UK recycling figures drop for first time.

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 27 Dec 2016, 12:13 pm

    Looking at "rubbish" in general I think that most of the materials, like metals, paper-based waste, and food waste, so long as they can be separated they can be recycled and reused.

    The only bug-bear to recycling companies is plastics as there are so many different kinds of plastics they cannot often be separated.

    Again, technology will probably find a way to get round this problem in the future.


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    Re: UK recycling figures drop for first time.

    Post by Angie baby on Wed 28 Dec 2016, 11:24 am

    I think you are right about plastics Papa.

    After a search into the recycling of plastics I found a site that talks to this problem.

    Find it here: http://discovermagazine.com/2009/jul-aug/06-when-recycling-is-bad-for-the-environment
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    Re: UK recycling figures drop for first time.

    Post by Gandhi on Wed 28 Dec 2016, 12:11 pm

    Paps - everything in life is a balance between whether to do it or not. It has nothing to do with privateers, profit or anything else. If it costs more to recycle something than it does to throw it away then it makes no economic sense to recycle. If i have to drive 20 miles to recycle my bottles then i am doing more damage to the environment than I am preventing.

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    Re: UK recycling figures drop for first time.

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 29 Dec 2016, 11:32 am

    Of course recycling has to be done efficiently to make it pay for itself, and few people would drive miles and burn fuel to do that.

    The local authorities are engineered to make recycling waste not only environmentally effective, but also to save the job of continually going to landfill with mixed rubbish.

    The drive to recycle is now moving apace and so long as we can reuse rather than burn or landfill then the total environment is going to thank us for these efforts.

    Making money out of recycling is something that should be kept to an absolute minimum as the profit motive just does not sit well with the need to make the earth cleaner.


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