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    Corby wins an even larger grass-roots support.

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    Corby wins an even larger grass-roots support.

    Post by papa_umau on Mon 26 Sep 2016, 9:50 am

    Can Labour's slate really be wiped clean?

    After winning the leadership challenge by an even bigger margin than before Corbyn is starting to make real Labour leadership noises.

    Jeremy Corbyn has said that it is time for Labour's "slate to be wiped clean", but is it possible to do this if the party is still divided ?

    Read the full story from The BBC HERE




    I guess that Jeremy Corbyn knows that a split party will NEVER win any elections, but do any of us believe that Corbyn can draw the hard left and the middle-of-the-road party back together into one cohesive fighting force ?

    Opinions please.


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    Post by Nuthin fancy on Thu 29 Sep 2016, 9:58 am

    Hi All,

    Yes he does, and I saw our Local MP sitting with him with stars in her eyes. This is great news indeed for UKIP.

    We now know what mad cap 'policies' they intend to pursue.

    Unconteolled immigration is a great idea is it not, as is borrowing 500 billion pounds; ( err who pays it back then ???) Scrapping sanctions to curb benefit cheats, and a foreign policy based on “peace, justice and human rights”. Very laudable, but not in any way practical in the real world. He wants to stop our armed forces ( have we got any ? ) being involved in conflicts of any sort. Well that's alright then, as if and when we get invaded either by Putins Russia, or the mass of migrants we can just sit back and let the country be overun.

    Even one of his own Labour politicians has warned of mass riots if uncontrolled immigration is allowed and he ignores the wishes of the majority of Brexiteers.

    Overall though I am very happy as it will ensure that Labour never sees power as long as Corbyn is at the helm.

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    Re: Corby wins an even larger grass-roots support.

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 29 Sep 2016, 10:43 am

    Some excellent points Technician, but I think your idea of "uncontrolled immigration" is not something that anybody in or out of the government, or the Labour Party want.

    Everybody knows that there has to be SOME vetting and restrictions on mass immigration to Britain both from Europe and the rest of the world.

    I still say that the Australian and the Canadian ways of doing it are the best all round ways to be fair to everybody, so long as these points systems are done right.

    Eventually Theresa May and her cabinet are going to have to introduce something like these tried and true policies.


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    Post by zathrus on Thu 29 Sep 2016, 11:05 am

    Like our Paps, I too am a lefty and while I do think that Corbyn is far too far to the left I think that the centre-left people in the party at high levels will tone down Corbyn's more extremist ideas.

    Even he knows that before Labour can win the next election he is going to have to attract a great lot of centre-ground voters.

    Blair did it successfully with New-Labour, but I don't think that trick is going to work again.
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    Post by papa_umau on Fri 30 Sep 2016, 12:04 pm

    "TRICK" is right Zathrus.

    Blair conned a heluvalot of voters into thinking that his New-Labour entity was the right way to go for centre left and centre right voters. All he in fact did was to appeal to a lot of previously disenchanted Tory voters who were tired hard right-wing government. These swing-shifters have since went back to their own comfort zones with the Tories.

    I doubt if there are enough centre-left and hard-left voters remaining in Britain for the present Labour Party to win a general election.

    It is going to take a miracle for the left in Britain to get back into power.


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    Post by Angie baby on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 11:24 am

    The further left-wing that Corbyn's supporters go in the unions and the grass roots areas the less chance Labour has of generating enough votes from the centre ground to win an election.

    He needs to organise his middle-ground shadow cabinet so that they will appeal to the people who are coming from that demographic.

    A very difficult job to do when most of us are a bit afraid of Communism wrapped up in the clothes of the  Labour Socialist activists.
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    Post by papa_umau on Sun 02 Oct 2016, 11:59 am

    Now there's a word you do not hear very often in Britain....Communism.

    Mind you I honestly do not think that there is enough old Communists hiding in the left-wings of the Labour Party to be able to shape up policy.

    There always will be a few, but I think that they now hold their meetings in the back rooms of pubs somewhere, rather than in any of the meeting rooms of Westminster.

    That is not to say that many righties do not worry that the Labour Party under Corbyn is still just too far to the left.

    There is a great lot of work needing to be done to persuade the voters that the Labour Party represents the middle of the road as well as the grass roots Socialists.

    Karl Marx once said that "The middle of the road is a dangerous place to be as that is where all the traffic is", but even if he was right, ( excuse the pun ), about that, this is where the great majority of the votes lie.

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    Re: Corby wins an even larger grass-roots support.

    Post by Hell's Granny on Sun 02 Oct 2016, 2:27 pm

    Communism is a strange beast. In small groups it can work well; as in the Kibbutz movement in Israel; there are also smallish Pagan groups around the country who work as 'collectives' and it works for them also.

    It is where it grows too large, or when one person rises to prominence that it begins to fall apart, when too large you get dissatisfied factions, when one person rises with a 'new'  message, it can also fall apart and too easily reverts to totalitarianism.

    It is, in essence tribalism in it's original meaning.
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    Post by papa_umau on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 10:33 am

    Great comments HG.

    Yes, Communism would be a perfect idil to follow if the people who try to make it work did not have human nature to destroy their dogma.

    I agree that in small doses the cooperative principle does work, but once it becomes a national principle it falls apart due to no time being given to individual thoughts or creative processes.

    Again you are right that Communism does seem to generate demagogues at the top of that particular pyramid and where you have unlimited power you also have unlimited abuse for the people down below.


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