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    A view of the Queen, by myself and one other.

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    A view of the Queen, by myself and one other.

    Post by Parliament.... on Fri 22 Apr 2016, 11:00 am

    Why are people in this country celebrating the Queens birthday ?.  When she's in her "castle", we have other people her age in hostels or without any food having to eat tins of beans from food banks, not able to afford any heating.

    Why should we celebrate her birthday when other elderly people are dying on the street, or freezing in their homes because they are having to choose between heating their homes, or buying food, and where is the BBC, why aren’t they broadcasting this. ?.

    Why should someone be recognised because they have been born into a privileged family ?

    Why should someone be recognised just because they are seen as an "important figure" ?.  The Queen of England has over £275 million worth of wealth!

    At the same time down the road we have elderly people in care homes who have all their money taken away so their "low level" of care can be paid for. These people have worked all their life, and have paid taxes into a system which is not there for them now.  Why isn’t it there for them now ?

    I won't be celebrating St George's day either. And it's nothing to do with St George.

    Why would I celebrate being "English" ?,  and why would I celebrate this country when we have a 30% rise in the number who are homeless, more people in poverty than ever before, disabled people dying because of this governments evil cuts and the list goes on. Don't blame me for my decision blame the government for their awful treatment of Britain’s most vulnerable people.

    Like it or not, I have to see myself as a subject of her Majesty, I cannot see myself as a citizen of my own country that I was born and raised in, because England’s  “class” structures define us..Money and wealth define us, privilege defines us.  Our Honours system defines us.

    Royalists might say to me that the Queen and the Royals bring immense wealth into this country from tourism and such like,  I would challenge that and ask, but where does that money go, ?, the answer, ? into the pockets of the already rich, just as our free market system already does, by giving tax cuts to the already rich, while the non privileged many, ie us in the lower orders have to endure being means tested for handouts.

    This is the 21st Century!, and England at its crux, remains a subservient, class entrenched,  nation!

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    Re: A view of the Queen, by myself and one other.

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 22 Apr 2016, 11:37 am

    Just like Corbyn, I too am a Republican, but unlike yourself - and your "friend" - I do not blame the Queen for the poverty in this country.

    Even as just a titular monarch, the Queen is directly responsible for millions or even maybe billions of pounds of income to this country and even if this country became a Republic tomorrow that would only change slightly.

    I do believe that William is going to produce a much smaller monarchy once the Queen and his dad either die or abdicate and that monarchy might be a bit more acceptable to you.

    I think it would be to me.


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    Post by Parliament.... on Fri 22 Apr 2016, 1:03 pm

    Oh dear oh dear, did our letter blame the Queen for the poverty in this country ?, no it did not.

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    Post by Nuthin fancy on Fri 22 Apr 2016, 5:20 pm

    Hi,

    Don't often agree with much you say Ivanhoe, but I do agree with most of that !

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    Post by Parliament.... on Fri 22 Apr 2016, 6:17 pm

    Your a UKIP supporter, arent you Technician ?

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    Post by Nuthin fancy on Fri 22 Apr 2016, 8:23 pm

    I certainly am Ivanhoe

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    Post by Parliament.... on Fri 22 Apr 2016, 8:28 pm

    Nuthin fancy, may I ask you to give me as many reason's why you vote UKIP as you can ?

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    Post by Nuthin fancy on Fri 22 Apr 2016, 11:57 pm

    No, I have no reason to justify my political views, and it does not relate to the thread you posted.

    I do not intend to be drawn into any further political arguments with yourself as it is a pointless excercise.

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    Post by Parliament.... on Sat 23 Apr 2016, 9:47 am

    Of course, your absolutely right Technician.

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    Re: A view of the Queen, by myself and one other.

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 23 Apr 2016, 11:44 am

    Ivanhoe wrote:Oh dear oh dear, did our letter blame the Queen for the poverty in this country ?, no it did not.  

    Ivanhoe.

    When you say: "down the road we have elderly people in care homes who have all their money taken away so their "low level" of care can be paid for" and in the same breath you talk about the queen's riches, who could be blamed for thinking that one is connected to the other.

    NOW....if you were to talk about the "Civil List" then I might be persuaded to agree with you as that money comes from the central pot of tax from the ordinary people.

    Maybe we could take a leaf from how the monarchies in the low countries do it, but I cannot see any of ours on a pushbike in the park.


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    Post by Parliament.... on Sat 23 Apr 2016, 1:34 pm

    "down the road we have elderly people in care homes who have all their money taken away so their "low level" of care can be paid for" and in the same breath you talk about the queen's riches, who could be blamed for thinking that one is connected to the other".

    My point here is the disparity between the Queen's wealth, and the situation for her own generation, ie her subjects.....

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    Post by papa_umau on Sun 24 Apr 2016, 11:53 am

    Again, apart from the Civil List, ( the Queen's expense account ), one cannot compare her riches to the poverty in the country.

    Even, while I am not a royalist, I will always defend the Queen when she is attacked without reason.

    Sometimes I think that you have no clue about what you write.


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    Post by Parliament.... on Sun 24 Apr 2016, 2:48 pm

    I will defend anybody attacked without reason..

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    Post by papa_umau on Mon 25 Apr 2016, 11:39 am

    THEN...try to use "reason" yourself Ivanhoe.


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    You were asking for trouble when you agreed with Ivanhoe, as he really hates being agreed with.

    I do not think that our Ivanhoe can tell the difference between debate and invective


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    Post by Nuthin fancy on Mon 25 Apr 2016, 2:44 pm

    Hi,

    Yes Paps, correct again. Can't win can you !

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    Post by papa_umau on Tue 26 Apr 2016, 12:51 pm

    The thing is that he is so immersed in his own ways of thinking that he cannot even begin to evaluate the thoughts of others.


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