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    The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

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    The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by Parliament.... on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 10:07 am


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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by Nuthin fancy on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 10:55 am


    To Quote:

    'The more the division of labor and the application of machinery extend, the more does competition extend among the workers, the more do their wages shrink together. Capital is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor it sucks'


    Nothin new really. I am sure you can work out who said the above.

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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by Parliament.... on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 11:09 am

    Nuthin fancy, What we are witnessing, but falling on mass to do anything about, has been a dwindling State since Thatcher.

    What the Tory right wing are doing is getting rid of all the Social improvements built up by the Labour Government after WW2, because they are ideologically opposed to them

    Nothing new you say. Well its been ongoing since the 80's, yet the Tory's have managed to regain power in all these years, thanks to our first past the post voting system.

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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by papa_umau on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 11:42 am

    As the words of the song go: "Ding dong, the witch is dead", so let her evil rest in peace.

    Most of us with half a brain already accept that what you say is true and lecturing us on and on and on about it just becomes boring to the extreme.

    I have to ask, Ivanhoe, is that all that is in your mind or do you have opinions about any other stuff ?

    If you do have more to say I am sure that we would all like to hear it.

    Try hard not to use the words "Thatcher", "the dwindling state", or "the Tory right-wing" as you have to know by this time that you are preaching to the converted here.


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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by Parliament.... on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 11:57 am

    The witch is not dead, her legacy lives on. Also the English largely are neither interested in politics or motivated by the same.

    Thatcher, the dwindling State and the Tory right wing, are the three reasons why my country is in a mess.........
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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by papa_umau on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 12:12 pm

    That, my friend, is an insult to the "English" and to the rest of the electorate as you may be surprised that just about three quarters of the people are interested in politics and how it is changing.

    Politicos that do not respect the views of the electorate and move with the times are doomed to die a quick death in their chosen career.

    I will take you up on the Thatcher "legacy" as there is no doubt that there are a few Thatcherites still left in the Tory party, but like many other trends in politics, this one is slowly dwindling into insignificance.

    It is people like yourself that keep this interest alive by talking about it so much, and if for no other reason it is a subject that is a good one to drop where it deserves to be: in the bin of history.

    We know, and we agree, so there is no need to keep hammering the point ad-infinitum.


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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by Parliament.... on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 2:34 pm

    Yes it is indeed an insult to the English I am sad to say. I repeat, the English largely, are neither interested in, or motivated by politics, unless things happen to them personally.

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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by Nuthin fancy on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 2:55 pm

    Hi all,

    The 'nothing new' in my statement relates to the underlying ideology of the author of the quote, who's ideology you seem to be supporting. That's fine, but its nothing 'new' as it was talked about well over 100 years ago....Any ideas ??

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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by Parliament.... on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 3:08 pm

    Hi Technician, I am a democratic Socialist, I am also pro-Europe and as such I fully support Jeremy Corbyn. The UKIP is another right wing small state low income tax party who believe in privatisation of the NHS.

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    Post by Nuthin fancy on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 6:28 pm

    Hi

    Nothing to do with UKIP, Farage or right wing political viewpoints. As a Corbyn 'supporter' thought you might have got it by now.

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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by Parliament.... on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 7:03 pm

    I said that the UKIP are "another" right wing, low income tax, small State, political party that would also privatise the NHS. That's what I said

    As a Corbyn supporter, I have known what the right wing are capable of since Thatcher, she is dead, but her legacy lives on.

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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 19 Apr 2016, 11:39 am

    You will never change Ivanhoe's ways of thinking using debate and logic Technician, as he is just as deeply lost in a rut of political thought that many other hard-liners are.

    Even as a left-winger myself I am still willing to look at and consider the politics of others.



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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by Parliament.... on Tue 19 Apr 2016, 2:32 pm

    I see, so its hard line now is it to talk about political realities ?

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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by papa_umau on Wed 20 Apr 2016, 11:00 am

    One person's "political realities" are another person's hard line views.

    It is when people get into that kind of a rut of thinking that the extremists evolve from.

    An open mind is never a bad thing to have.


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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by Parliament.... on Wed 20 Apr 2016, 11:57 am

    My views are political realities. Im not in a political rut, I just see the obvious, A right right wing ideological attack on the State and everything attached to it.

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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 21 Apr 2016, 11:19 am

    OK, OK, but you keep on saying the same thing almost verbatim until people stop reading or listening to what you think.

    Anybody that talks in clichs, like you do, is bound to find that people lose interest very quickly.


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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by Parliament.... on Thu 21 Apr 2016, 11:32 am

    That is not my experience in the real world. Maybe so on here ?

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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 21 Apr 2016, 11:53 am

    SO.... did you get elected in that "real world" where you said you were going to go ?


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    Re: The reality of Austerity since Thatcher over 30 years ago.

    Post by Parliament.... on Thu 21 Apr 2016, 11:56 am

    I didnt stand for parliament due to my wife's passing.

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