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    The big mouthed comb-over king.

    Post by zathrus on Thu 10 Dec 2015, 12:27 pm

    Yes, you do recognise the description.

    I cannot see why this bigoted and hate-filled big-mouth even got into the presidential race in America.

    What he said about banning ALL Muslims from America will do more harm than bombing them is going to do.

    Does he not realise that he has made himself into a legitimate target for the next crazy Jehadi in America.
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    Post by Nuthin fancy on Fri 11 Dec 2015, 9:04 am

    Hi all,

    Spot on Zath, somewhat over the top that and I am sure some zealot will be happy to take a pot shot at him!!. Now, to be serious. Like him or not we need to think what has promoted such an outburst. Since his rant his popularity in America has incereased despite some 500,000 folks over here sigining a petition to keep him out of the UK..why is that ?.

    Consider: Why are many in the UK supporting UKIP ( although they don't get anywhere do they!! )

    Why is the far right Le Penn party in France doing so well n the elections.

    Why has Spain and Greece fought back agains the EU and austerity

    Why is Germany in turmoil ( and very worrying, seeing a growth in extreme right wing nationalists )

    Now, don't get me wrong. I want this country to prosper and be a fairer society. I do not support extremism anywhere, but Trump has struck a chord in that the main resaon we see the growth of alternatiove parties is that the governments of these 'liberal' western countries do not seem to see, or refuse to aknowledge what the man in the street knows. They bluster, promise, and lie.

    A prime example is the pathetic Sunday speech by Obama. He blustered and provaricated but still does NOTHING about this Islamis threat.

    Cameron just does not get it. The populace are VERY concerned about immigration but our figures are going UP, and in that swathe of immigration terrorists are creeping in.

    Cameron, Sturgeon and all the politicians are quick to condemn Trump in their outrage, but why did we not have a petition to extradite the hate preachers from the UK. their vitriol was far more toxic than Trumps, but how long did it take to extradite Hamza ????

    This weeping and wailing is led in part by the ultra left wing zealots who have brought us the doddgy science behind climate change, fracking and the 'advantages of multiculturalism' which is sleepwalking the UK towards a nightmare.

    Unless we tackle this Islamic extremism NOW and act with determination it will be too late.

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    TOPIC SPLIT !

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 24 Dec 2015, 12:19 pm

    As this topic had become a topic on Europe I have split it into two topics.

    Hope you don't mind Zathrus.


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    Post by zathrus on Thu 24 Dec 2015, 12:27 pm

    Nope, don't mind at all Paps, as my thread-start about Trump had run seriously off topic.
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    Post by TuppenceHapenny on Wed 27 Jan 2016, 8:33 pm

    As I have a unique take on this I'd appreciate a serious lack of editing.
    Trump is an asshole. We are all agreed on that. He's crazy rich. Which means he can't be bought. He's not a politician. We've more than had our fill of that beast. He's a business man. Which IS needed here. America has become a behemoth Corporation.
    Now, with that said... When Rudy Giuliani was mayor of NYC the cabbies went on strike. Or tried. Rudy's response? Go for it and then proceeded to ban ALL cabs from New York. It was blissful. New York was so quiet. It was amazing. I could walk across the street without fearvof being run over.
    Giuliani is Trump's business model for the US. His banning Muslims is until the threat is over. Quit threatening us and you can come in. Keep threatening us and you can stay home.
    As to the Mexican situation-same basic thing. Come in legally and you are welcome. Come in illegally and we will send you back. At least with the wall/border he's not threatening the rest of the joke. Look it up if you don't know it.
    I honestly hope he gets in. America needs someone to wake us the **** up. We've been dozing far too long.
    The PC thing is irritating as all hell. I'd vote for him just to get it gone. ObamaCare is a joke. Same response.
    Trumps whole premise is to cut thru the crap and rebuild the country. We're in dire straits.
    I watched the WTC on 11 Sept and all I could think was "They are going to bomb the enemy into a smoking hole". Didn't happen and now we are rebuilding the country that started a war on American soil? WTF? Really? There shouldn't be anything to rebuild.
    I met Trump years ago. He's actually a nice guy. Polite and well spoken. He has our best interests at heart, unlike anyone else who's running.

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    Post by papa_umau on Thu 28 Jan 2016, 12:40 pm

    Tuppence... It is easy to rail against the norm and we do this in Britain too, but allowing a racist and rightist bully to get that kind of power would, in my opinion, be a very dangerous thing to do.

    I notice that Trump is cozying up to Palin too even although he must know that she is pure poison in American politics.

    We have argued about "Obama-care" here before and I still think that all that Obama wants is a free NHS in America just like the one we have here.

    Because he has been ground down by the Republicans he has been unable to push through a truly free health service and what is left is just not fit for purpose. He also wants to have some restrictions on gun ownership in America, but here too the Republicans backed by the NRA have stymied this desire too.

    I think that Obama will be glad to retire when the time comes as he is now a very tired man.


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    Post by TuppenceHapenny on Sat 13 Feb 2016, 6:29 pm

    America deserves Trump. Obama is looking for nothing more than to pay back the insurance corops and big pharma. They gave him the office. I don't know how to explain obamacare to you in such way as to get it thru your head.
    You pay a monthly premium. Ours would cost us $340 per person per month. So 4 x $340. $1360 per month out of our $2290 per month total income. This amount covers nothing beyond satisfying our legal obligation to have health insurance. Say you have a nasty stomach flu. You go to a healthcare centre. The nurse sees you. (S)he sets up an appointment for you to see the physicians assistant. You go see the PA. They set up appointment to see Doc. Doc then sends you to gastro specialist. If you're lucky you can get thru the appointments and to the medical professional needed within a fortnight. If not it may be a month. Now, each of these visits will cost. Lower levels about $150-$300 each. Higher? The gods only know. Any medications are additional. The insurance payments don't kick in til you've hit $35,000. Then they pay a percentage.
    How on earth is this ANYTHING like the NHS? The really fun bit of this shitstorm of American reality is- if you don't pay for ObamaCare you get a lovely fine at the end of the year.
    If you want to opt in to the American nightmare I'll take the NHS gladly. Eagerly even.
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    Post by papa_umau on Sun 14 Feb 2016, 1:35 pm

    You don't need to repeat it Tuppence as we, ( or at least ME ), have "GOT IT"

    I agree that "Obamacare" is just a bastardised version of the already very ropey health-care that is available to the poor in America.

    Obama would have it like a copy of the British NHS but he has been battered down at every corner by the Republicans in this.

    I guess that you will never get a health system like ours so long as the money talks as strongly as it does over there.

    Sadly the present and past Tory governments in Britain have been trying to privatise our wonderful NHS via a thousand cuts for many years.

    If we let it happen, our free healthcare package will finish up just as bad as yours is now.


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    Post by Gandhi on Mon 22 Feb 2016, 11:43 am

    The NHS is far from perfect - it is full of lazy nurses and overpaid consultants who love it when people like you bleat on about the nasty Tories who are threatening to turn off the taps to their little scam whilst the taxpayer and patients suffer. Instead of obsessing about privatisation look at where the money goes. All the new hospitals built by your mate Gordon Bruin on the never never doesnt help either. You couldnt make it up!

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    Post by papa_umau on Mon 22 Feb 2016, 12:14 pm

    Gandhi wrote:The NHS is far from perfect - it is full of lazy nurses and overpaid consultants who love it when people like you bleat on about the nasty Tories who are threatening to turn off the taps to their little scam whilst the taxpayer and patients suffer. Instead of obsessing about privatisation look at where the money goes. All the new hospitals built by your mate Gordon Bruin on the never never doesnt help either. You couldnt make it up!

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    A point at a time:

    The NHS is NOT full of "lazy nurses" as about ninety percent of people who have actually used the NHS would say that they are in fact overworked angels.

    I will agree with you that the consultants ARE overpaid, and what is worse they are allowed to moonlight in the private sector too.

    "Tories turn off the taps to their little scam".....What the hell does that mean anyway: in English please.

    Gordon Brown is NOT my mate BTW, and in Scotland there are only two hospitals that have been built using the PFI system.

    Oh and.... all but these two have now - unlike England - totally free parking for staff, patients and visitors.

    Yes the NHS is not perfect, but privatising it, like the Tories want to do, would destroy it and it would lose it's "free at point of need" ethos.

    Your comments on ROB would be worth reading if they were consistent, but like all anarchists they are just there for the invective most of the time.

    I only tolerate you here on ROB because on the odd occasion you do speak with reason.

    I have put this answer into the public domain rather than in a PM as a few of the regular users of ROB have complained about your manners.

    As this is a moderated forum please bear this in mind if you really want to stay here.


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    Post by Gandhi on Tue 23 Feb 2016, 12:30 pm

    Wow!

    1) There are plenty of jobsworths in the NHS and they need to be kicked out. I have experience both as a service user and supplier and if you took off your rose tinted specs you would see just how many. They exist in all organisdations - the difference is in the private sector they get kicked out. in the public sector with their 'jpbs for life' mantra they continue to proliferate. Indeed often the 'overworked angels' are in fact agency nurses filling in for staff who are enjoying their turn on the sick (my friends wife is an agency nurse).

    2) The Tories are trying to make the NHS more efficient for the taxpayer. That includes ending scams and excessive pay, overmanning etc. It does NOT exclusively mean privatisation.

    3) I am not an anarchist - I simply disagee with your loony left 'nanny state' mantra. As they say if you have to resort to name calling you have lost the argument...



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    Post by papa_umau on Tue 23 Feb 2016, 12:57 pm

    1). You were not talking about "jobsworths" you were attacking the wonderful nurses that we have in the NHS. Nobody dares to attack the nurses as they are untouchable.

    2). What makes you so sure that "private" is more efficient , as once the profit motive gets fully into the NHS you will quickly see that the profits will come first and the service will come last.

    3). YES... you ARE an anarchist as your years of input to ROB in several guises has shown this very clearly.

    4).You are obviously never more happy than when you are attacking the person, ANY person, and the people who have complained about you are not me, or my friends, or my family.

    Take the warnings you have been given and pull the reins in, or you WILL be gone again.

    NOW.... let's get back to the topic: Trump, I think it was.


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    Post by Nuthin fancy on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 10:53 pm

    Hi all, just seen this.

    Got to agree with Paps. Our nurses and medics are not lazy ( some are, but then that's in all walks of life ). I worked in the NHS for over 20 years, so I know the inside. The Tory policy is backdoor privatisation. Run it into the ground, and then say it isn't working...so privatise. We have seen it time and again in this country, utilities, railways, and we end up with crap services, fat cat greed and hyper inflated prices.

    Do that to the NHS and its the end of a system far from perfect; but the envy of many people in the world. I love the USA, but whenever I am there have a worrying niggle ( despite being insured ) of getting ill and having to go to a hospital. A lot of people in the USA would love a system like ours.

    We need to eliminate the gross waste ( mainly from management tiers and non jobs and get patient priorities right ). We also need to charge people who deliberately waste NHS time and avoid attending for appointments ( its a big problem ).

    We also need to stop health tourism.

    As for Trump I don't know much about the man apart that he is filthy rich. One thing though he does seem to have Americas needs at heart. He must be saying something to galvanise the masses as he is doing OK at present. I would trust him in protecting Americas borders which is more than I can say for Cameron in this country.

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    Post by TuppenceHapenny on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 11:02 pm

    81 delegates thus far. And Paps-my account seems to have been hacked. I keep getting adverts that won't go away. I can get on for a minute or so n then it starts. Can you do something? Email might work best.
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    Post by papa_umau on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 11:47 am

    Nuthin fancy wrote:Hi all, just seen this.

    Got to agree with Paps. Our nurses and medics are not lazy ( some are, but then that's in all walks of life ). I worked in the NHS for over 20 years, so I know the inside. The Tory policy is backdoor privatisation. Run it into the ground, and then say it isn't working...so privatise. We have seen it time and again in this country, utilities, railways, and we end up with crap services, fat cat greed and hyper inflated prices.

    Do that to the NHS and its the end of a system far from perfect; but the envy of many people in the world. I love the USA, but whenever I am there have a worrying niggle ( despite being insured ) of getting ill and having to go to a hospital. A lot of people in the USA would love a system like ours.

    We need to eliminate the gross waste ( mainly from management tiers and non jobs and get patient priorities right ). We also need to charge people who deliberately waste NHS time and avoid attending for appointments ( its a big problem ).

    We also need to stop health tourism.

    As for Trump I don't know much about the man apart that he is filthy rich. One thing though he does seem to have Americas needs at heart. He must be saying something to galvanise the masses as he is doing OK at present. I would trust him in protecting Americas borders which is more than I can say for Cameron in this country.

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    Yes our NHS is not perfect, but it is far better than what they have in America. Just like with the EU, it needs fixed not destroyed as the Tories would do if they got the chance.

    Trump seems, to me, to be appealing to the right wing hard-liners over there, but I honestly cannot see him actually winning the Presidential nomination. I actually think that Marco Rubio will get that after all of the states have voted.


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    I am sorry to hear about those nasty adverts but it looks to me as if you have picked them up from the internet and NOT from the ROB software.

    Do you have a good anti-virus programme resident on your computer as nowadays everybody needs one of them.

    I have been using AVG FREE for years and it has done a great job of protecting my computer. ( I do not have any such adverts that will not go away ).

    You can get it HERE


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    Post by Hell's Granny on Wed 02 Mar 2016, 1:47 pm

    I take issue with 'Lazy Nurses'. Many do not even get a break in the length of their shift. The Agency Nurses come in to ease the pressure. Hospitals are chronically understaffed at the Bed face, due to historical reworkings of Training, and bean counters at the top not allowing full staffing of the wards.

    Agency staff are not, IMO overpaid, it is the fees to the Agencies which are the expensive part of the deal. All the time there are staffing shortages, there will be Agency Staff. I have been an Agency Nurse myself, on a zero hours contract. There was no guarantee of work. this was back in the days of almost full employment, back before the General Nursing Council (as was), screwed up the training programme. Agency was the only work available then, and I did some mad and magnificent placements!

    Nurses are overworked, and (by the employers and Government) underappreciated and certainly not overpaid.
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    Post by Nuthin fancy on Wed 02 Mar 2016, 2:01 pm

    Hi All,

    Well said HG, you know the system having;like myself worked in it !

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    Post by papa_umau on Thu 03 Mar 2016, 11:42 am

    The indictment that nurses and doctors were overpaid an lazy was made by the originator of the thread-start entry.

    I totally agree with you HG and Technician that almost all of them are overworked and not paid enough for the serious responsibilities that they carry every day.

    I blame the government for not training enough doctors or nurses to cover the posts that are required.

    The Royal College of Nursing estimates the NHS is short of 20,000 nurses. They have to be filled by agency nurses at ten times the cost of the wages of a regular NHS nurse

    The NHS recruits around 3,000 foreign doctors a year while at the other end, new figures released this week show the General Medical Council (GMC) received 1,644 requests for Certificates of Current Professional Status (CCPS), which are issued for people who wish to work overseas, in just three days last week.

    While this is going on the government is spending 980 million a year on locums to fill the gaps that are already there.

    Talk about "fiddling while Rome burns" or "re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic", as both fit very well.

    One might think that instead of having a war with the junior doctors they might be thinking about taking care of them and treating them fairly.


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