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    Assisted Dying ( No 2 ) Bill... Friday.

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    Assisted Dying ( No 2 ) Bill... Friday.

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 08 Sep 2015, 12:56 pm

    The UK will cross a "legal and ethical Rubicon" if the law on assisted suicide in England and Wales is changed, the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.

    MPs will debate the Assisted Dying (No 2) Bill - which would allow doctors to help terminally ill patients to die in some circumstances - on Friday.

    But Justin Welby said the bill would mean suicide was "actively supported" instead of being viewed as a tragedy.

    He and other faith leaders have issued a joint letter urging MPs to reject it.

    Read the full story from The BBC online HERE




    Here we see the faith groups once again interfering in matters that should be kept to the churches and temples instead of trying to interfere with the democratic will of the people.

    I have always thought that the churches should STAY OUT of politics, as although the religious ones have every right to vote any way that they want to, the religious leaders should not be allowed to try to influence this vote in government.

    What say you about this ?


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    Post by Nuthin fancy on Tue 08 Sep 2015, 2:23 pm

    Hi all,

    Once again, dead right Paps. We can only empathise, but not put ourselves in the same shoes as those poor souls who are suffering greatly, and for whatever reason. I was brought up in the 'church', but I am afraid as I get older the message gets less and less meaningful ( and I don't wish to upset anyone with a strong faith, just don't push it on me ).

    If I was in that terrible predicament and suffering I want no 'well meaning know it all' to tell me what I can and cannot do. Bishops, Cardinals and the priesthood know no better than I do, and a lot of them talk a load of bulls**t as well ( they are not the only ones with univerity degrees ).

    If I felt it time to 'hang up the coat', and I had discussed the same with my loved ones, then I have no issues with going ahead. There are worse things than death in my eyes. living in constant pain and being unable to raise a finger to help yourself is my 'hell on earth'.

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    Re: Assisted Dying ( No 2 ) Bill... Friday.

    Post by papa_umau on Wed 09 Sep 2015, 11:04 am

    Oh Technician, I might have said all that.

    If we are trying to be humane humans we should not push dying in pain over long periods as being the right way to go.

    Strangely we are much more humane with a sick dog or a sick cat that is terminally ill and we think nothing about putting these loved pets out of their misery.

    Why we cannot think like that as far as human lives are concerned, I will NEVER know.

    I fear, as has happened before, that the churches will influence the government in this debate on Friday so that once again what is right to do will fall in a Commons vote.



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    Re: Assisted Dying ( No 2 ) Bill... Friday.

    Post by Gandhi on Thu 10 Sep 2015, 3:33 pm

    You wondered what I am for in another post Paps - I am certainly for assisted dying so you can stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
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    Re: Assisted Dying ( No 2 ) Bill... Friday.

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 1:21 pm

    Well done Gandhi. it is great to see you standing UP for something instead of denigrating all that other people say.

    Whether this vote will go through successfully is anybody's guess as those who think like us in the parliament are a too afraid to stand up and be counted.


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    Re: Assisted Dying ( No 2 ) Bill... Friday.

    Post by zathrus on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 1:38 pm

    Although it seems that the majority of people in the country feel that this would be a sensible and humane way to go the politicians do not support what the people want.

    So, nothing new there then !
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    Re: Assisted Dying ( No 2 ) Bill... Friday.

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 12 Sep 2015, 12:13 pm

    Sadly the vote fell yesterday by around four-to-one against.

    It is obvious that the people who voted against the bill do not have someone dying slowly and in pain at home, either that or the churches HAVE "got to them" just as forcefully as they always do.

    Maybe it is time that a referendum was run on this subject as the people who are for this bill report that around eighty percent of the general populace want it to go through and be adopted.

    One would think that the MPs would do what their constituents want and not what they want, but they don't.


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    Re: Assisted Dying ( No 2 ) Bill... Friday.

    Post by Hell's Granny on Mon 14 Sep 2015, 12:56 pm

    They were allowed to vote their conscience, which means their constituents' wishes were totally ignored, as usual.
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    Re: Assisted Dying ( No 2 ) Bill... Friday.

    Post by papa_umau on Mon 14 Sep 2015, 1:20 pm

    Very true HG.

    The thing is that when a "conscience" vote is allowed in parliament it should both be a vote on behalf of their constituents as well as not a party-political vote, and it should NEVER be a personal vote.

    They are there to represent us and not themselves.

    Sadly this does not work.

    The only way that this can be done for the people would be if "the people" could speak on the subject using a referendum.

    I think this will eventually be done, although it may take a while.


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