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    The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

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    The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 04 Aug 2015, 11:57 am

    Consumer goods prop up lacklustre UK manufacturing sector.

    New orders declining for the fourth consecutive month



    Britain’s factories are increasingly reliant on the consumer goods sector for growth, with new export orders declining for the fourth consecutive month in July.

    The Markit/CIPS monthly purchasing managers’ survey ticked up marginally to 51.9 from 51.4 in June, remaining just above the 50 mark which indicates increasing activity. While slightly above consensus expectations, the rise merely reverses the fall seen in June and leaves the index bumping around its lowest level since the first half of 2013.

    Get the full story from the Financial Times Business and Economy page HERE




    There you have it folks: The truth about the "growth" in the manufacturing sector, as seen by the Tories, is just another lie.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.


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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by Angie baby on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:05 pm

    I don't usually read that kind of stuff as I find it a bit boring, but anyway, thank you very much Papa for finding it for us.

    Soon we will not be able to trust anyone any more.
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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 11:39 am

    I would much rather that they kept these figures separate as the manufacturing sector and the consumer sector are completely different as far as turnover is concerned.

    In other words, one should not be able to bolster the other - and vice-versa - in the growth indicators.


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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by Hell's Granny on Sun 09 Aug 2015, 2:04 am

    Because successive Governments sold off the country's assets, we no longer have much of a manufacturing industry.
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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by papa_umau on Sun 09 Aug 2015, 12:44 pm

    I take it that you are talking about our heavy engineering, mining, car-making, banking and many other once public industries and services that have been sold off to the private sector.

    The thing is that some of these are just dead and the rest are now making profits for the privateers, the great friends of the Tories.

    I still feel that the manufacturing sectors should be kept separate from the consumer sectors if they are going to tell us that things are looking up.

    The way that they do it is just a con so that they hope we will think that all is again "coming up roses" in the Tory garden.


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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by Angie baby on Sun 09 Aug 2015, 1:05 pm

    Well said Papa.

    There is no doubt that there are a number of ways that we can be bamboozled if we believe everything that we see or read.
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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by Hell's Granny on Sun 09 Aug 2015, 2:13 pm

    Yes, I did mean our heavy engineering mainly, Steel was sold off to CORUS and TATA, who shut down our premises and moved them abroad; Partly this is our own fault, we were not competitive and so we became the knuckle draggers of the heavy industry world. Likewise our car industry, Coal, Shipbuilding, etc. Our aircraft industry is basically wings, and nothing else. Hell, we don't even own Rolls Royce any more.

    A similar thing has happened with our 'soft' industries. we no longer own our communications, railways, banks, even some of our supermarkets.

    We are left with our 'Artisan' craft stuff, history, and most of our tourist industry. I have said it before, but it bears repeating. We are on our way to being an island sized Historical Theme Park.

    Third World in all but our fading dreams of Empire.
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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by papa_umau on Mon 10 Aug 2015, 12:16 pm

    Great comment HG, and all so very true.

    The thing is if we can see this, surely the people who run the country can see it too ?





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    Post by papa_umau on Tue 11 Aug 2015, 11:26 am

    Figures yesterday break boast of recovery:

    Quarterly profits for top 100 firms fall by £2.5 Billion.

    Government boasts about the pace of economic recovery were exposed yesterday as it was revealed that the biggest companies are leaking billions of pounds.

    According to The Share Centre, and a Profit Watch UK report, which analyses the operating profits of FTSE 100 companies, in the second quarter ending June 30 fell by an average of 10.6% - equivalent to a drop of £2.5 Billion.

    With this kind of news from the people in the know, it seems that we cannot believe anything that this government says about the economy.


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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by zathrus on Thu 13 Aug 2015, 12:04 pm

    They are nothing more or less than con-artists.

    I never really believed what these liars say and now I know that I will still not believe what they say.

    I once heard a saying that said something like: "There are liars, there are damned liars, and then there are politicians," and it appears that this saying is still as true as it ever was.
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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by Hell's Granny on Thu 13 Aug 2015, 7:08 pm

    I was catching up on The Edwardian Farm, and realised that our Industries were being destroyed even in the '60's, when Doctor Beeching wielded his axe and put an end to the Westcountry's cut flower, Strawberry and fresh fish industries. Don't know why I didn't make that connection before, but it must have also happened all over the country where produce was dependent on Branch lines.
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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 14 Aug 2015, 12:50 pm

    Excellent point HG.

    Beeching was given the job of slashing the miles of rail-tracks and stations so that it would be said that British Rail was once again in profit.

    Like Ian McGregor was Thatcher's hit man over the closure of the pits Beeching was the hit-man that was used to make the massive cuts to our railways system.

    Here is a cutting from The Beeching Closures on Wiki:

    Out of 18,000 miles (29,000 km) of railway, Beeching recommended that 6,000 miles (9,700 km)—mostly rural and industrial lines—should be closed entirely, and that some of the remaining lines should be kept open only for freight. A total of 2,363 stations were to close, including 435 already under threat.

    This was soon to be seen as a destructive thing to do when afterwards the roads became clogged and many thousands of rural businesses were forced to close.

    Now many miles of these railways are being re-opened by government, local authorities, and rail buffs so we can still see the steam trains at work.


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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by Hell's Granny on Fri 14 Aug 2015, 6:15 pm

    It would be a good thing if some of the preserved lines could get back to freighting small industry products again. Good for both the lines and the economy of the surrounding villages. Would also help to keep some of it off the roads.
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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 15 Aug 2015, 12:27 pm

    I totally agree with that HG.

    I have, in fact, already made approaches to government where instead of the roads being clogged by heavy goods vehicles, ( this was indicated by the five and six miles of parked lorries waiting to go to and come from Europe during the Calais incident ), we were to build central rail hubs where the larger containers could offload from container ships onto rail-carriers and where much smaller lorries could then carry the goods from these hubs right to their final destinations in both directions. ( Rail is ideal for carrying heavy goods loads, where the roads are not ).

    This would take a greatweight off our roads and it would mean that the smaller fresh fruit and veg farmers and rural factories could get their wares to market much faster and without clogging the traffic lanes.

    Past government have talked about this, but it would not be viable unless many more of the thousands of miles of railways were brought back into use again.

    Of course this would cost money and the present government do just not have the vision required to spend any public money on such a radical idea.


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    Post by Angie baby on Sat 15 Aug 2015, 12:47 pm

    What a great idea Papa.

    Mind you I think I have heard about this idea somewhere else.

    Here is one site that mentions this even although this is not the place where I heard it first: http://www.imeche.org/knowledge/themes/transport/freight/rail-freight

    It certainly sounds like good common sense. I love you
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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by Gandhi on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 9:14 am

    I think HG should try living on the Edwardian Farm and he would soon stop harping back to the 'good old days' - things are better now than they ever have been. The car industry is alive and well and living in the West Midlands. The railways were pruned because they were losing money and nobody used them. They are still only in existance through heavy subsidies from the taxpayer. People already whinge about the cost of the tickets - they should be made to cover their costs or closed down.
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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 12:28 pm

    Gandhi wrote:I think HG should try living on the Edwardian Farm and he would soon stop harping back to the 'good old days' - things are better now than they ever have been. The car industry is alive and well and living in the West Midlands. The railways were pruned because they were losing money and nobody used them. They are still only in existance through heavy subsidies from the taxpayer. People already whinge about the cost of the tickets - they should be made to cover their costs or closed down.

    Hi again Gandhi....

    Firstly, HG is not a he, she is a SHE and one of our favourite - Hell's Grannys.

    Then, If you want to refer to any actual posting, ( as I did above to yours ), all you have to do is to click on the "quote" tile where you choose to put your comments. This way we know which previous entry you are talking about.

    The railways were not "pruned", they were slashed because they were being run and financed badly under nationalisation.

    As you will probably agree, there have been times since, that that old dog Beeching, was seen to have went far too far with his axe, and the severely clogged roads were the result.

    Now there are many of these closed lines being re-opened by steam buffs and local authorities, because the need IS there.

    One of these is the track from Alloa to Stirling and Edinburgh that was closed but that is now heavily used by goods trains and passenger trains.

    There are successes like these all around the country.


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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by Hell's Granny on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 4:11 pm

    I'm not going to argue with you Ghandi; I have the feeling that you are probably a lot younger than I am, and therefore have less Life Experience; However, you have your opinions and you are entitled to say your piece.
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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by Gandhi on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 9:42 am

    Sorry HG but I do have experience, I dont like it when people like you post opinions as facts. Our aerospace industry makes world beating military jets. Our banks are UK owned 3/4 of our supermarkets are. Do i need to continue? The railways do not go where people want to go - we live in suburbs now not cities. No doubt you will find champagne Solcialists like Corbyn to subsidise failing industries but I think the taxpayer deserves to get better value for money.

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    Re: The truth about growth in the manufacturing sector.

    Post by papa_umau on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 1:18 pm

    If you look back a bit on this thread you will see that I have already indicated one re-opened line that is a great success.

    If you care to look around the country, ( England and Wales as well as Scotland ), you will see that there are closed branch-lines re-opening all over the place.

    The worst thing about giving hatchet-men like Beeching and McGregor carte-blanche is that they always go too far and they get paid for being destroyers rather than builders.

    Sadly the Coal Industry after McGregor was finished is now gone forever and it is costing a lot of money and effort to fix what Beeching did.

    I see no reason for not considering that maybe, if they are run efficiently and financed correctly, that re-nationalising a lot of the privatised industries and essential service that were sold off to the profiteers could not be a great way to go under the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn in a refreshed Labour Party.

    Of course to do that he is going to have to make the Labour party re-electable so that he could become Prime Minister.

    THEY... who will remain nameless, who say that under Corbyn the Labour party are going to be destroyed, only have to remember the massive numbers of lefties that went over to the SNP in order to get some left-wing policies, could easily happen again once the Labour party are seen as the people's party once more.


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