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    The first mass-production HFCEV....

    Post by papa_umau on Mon 29 Dec 2014, 1:44 pm

    What's that, I hear you ask ?

    Well, HFCEV stands for: Hydrogen Fuel-Celled Electric Vehicle.

    Here is a photograh the Toyota Mirai:


    The price of this vehicle starts at around 60,000 and there will be a few brought into Britain in 2015/16.

    This car is already on the Japanese roads in large numbers.

    Sadly,at that price we are not going to see many more hydrogen fuel-pumps appearing the length and the breadth of Britain.

    Anyone who wants to see more about this car, can go to the Toyota site: HERE

    ( To rotate the car in the photo just place your cursor over the car, turn the wheel on your mouse, and it will slowly turn, eventually giving you an exploded view of this car.)


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    Post by Angie baby on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 12:28 pm

    It's certainly a cool looking machine Papa.

    I am sure that you are also right that even IF people have enough money to buy one of those things, there would be no point in doing so with only very few filling stations that can handle hydrogen about.
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    Post by papa_umau on Sat 03 Jan 2015, 1:50 pm

    Very true Angie.

    After a search I found that there was only THREE hydrogen gas filling points in the whole of Scotland: Two close to Aberdeen which supply a fleet of fuel-cell buses, and one in the Western Isles, which is for private use only.

    Now isn't that ridiculous ? Suspect


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    Post by zathrus on Sun 04 Jan 2015, 1:08 pm

    OK, that will be the main problem for getting a fuel-cell vehicle on the road. As hydrogen is nasty stuff and it has such a small molecule it can penetrate the side-wall of just about any container it is kept in.

    If it ever catches on as the fuel of the future the oil-companies are going to be fighting hard to suppress it as it would kill off their fossil-fuels market.

    One for the distant future I think.
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    Post by papa_umau on Tue 06 Jan 2015, 12:44 pm

    Very well spotted Zathrus.

    As the smallest atomic molecule in nature hydrogen can penetrate just about any sealant that serves to contain it.

    One of the main contributors to the destruction of the Hindenberg was it's fuel, which was hydrogen.

    It has been suggested that the hydrogen had leaked through the outer casing and was ignighted by a small amount of St Elmo's fire produced at the tip of the mooring mast.

    Since this and many other airship disasters, lighter-than-air balloons have mostly been filled with the inert gas Helium, ( which is the next lightest gas in nature ), and which does not leak through the side of it's container as easily as hydrogen does.


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    Post by papa_umau on Tue 06 Jan 2015, 12:57 pm

    Although hydrogen is very flammable it is not much more flammable than LPG, which is now a common fuel in many internal combustion engines.

    The difference here is that the hydrogen is NOT burned as in internal combustion engines; ( even although it can be ), it is used as a chemical transition to electricity via a fuel-cell and air from the atmosphere.

    The storage containers that have been specially designed for this car are very strong, in fact, are so strong, that they would not be penetrated in any vehicle accident.

    Find out more about this by going to the Toyota site HERE and scrolling down the photo at the top of the page, ( using your mouse scrolling wheel ), where you will eventually find pictures of these special fuel-tanks.


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