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    Scotland makes it's very first taxation laws.

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 10 Oct 2014, 12:49 pm

    In Scotland's first budget since the referendum John Swinney, The Scottish Chancellor, has dumped the extremely unfair stamp duty on house purchases and has introduced a new sliding-scale of taxes built into his Land and Buildings Transactions Tax.

    At the lower end, the first time buyers will get a bigger allowance before this tax is levied and the tax will only be laid against the amount that the cost is OVER this cut off point.

    To pay for this, the more expensive properties will be taxed more.

    For all of the figures see THIS from the Herald Scotland newspaper.




    Well folks, if this is an example of how new taxation is going to be introduced in Scotland from now on, I think we are seeing just the first of many new taxes that will take the "ability to pay" into account.

    Well done the SNP government.


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    Re: Scotland makes it's very first taxation laws.

    Post by Angie baby on Sat 11 Oct 2014, 1:19 pm

    That's interesting Papa.

    By the time that Scotland and the SNP parliament get all of the new devolved powers that were promised during the referendum they are going to have almost as much power as they would have had if independence had been granted.
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    Post by papa_umau on Sun 12 Oct 2014, 12:43 pm

    That was the promise that was made by the "Better Together" alliance and now they are being forced to keep their word and to give Scotland just about all of the devolution that it can handle. In the campaign it was given the name of "Devo-Max" and that will do us until we eventually get the freedom that we deserve.

    Many more great things to come in Scotland, and I think we are going to see the start of rumblings of discontent from Northern Ireland and Wales too, because of these positive changes to democracy in Scotland.


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    Post by riders_on_the_storm on Wed 04 Feb 2015, 7:24 am

    papa_umau wrote:That was the promise that was made by the "Better Together" alliance and now they are being forced to keep their word and to give Scotland just about all of the devolution that it can handle. In the campaign it was given the name of "Devo-Max" and that will do us until we eventually get the freedom that we deserve.

    Many more great things to come in Scotland, and I think we are going to see the start of rumblings of discontent from Northern Ireland and Wales too, because of these positive changes to democracy in Scotland.

    Will it improve things or will we just get taxed even more? Even a pleb can see the Scottish Government are made up of a quite far-left bunch and we all know it is these types who implement the politics of envy to placate the lower classes/unemployed and win votes. While effectively screwing over the workers - as they always do.

    Will be interesting to see how the Scots vote at this election, will they stick with liebore - their great granda's choice of vote - or the Scottish Nationalist Socialist party who again are playing off the 'we hate the English so vote for us' line?
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    Post by papa_umau on Wed 04 Feb 2015, 11:06 am

    Hi Andrew, great that you have given us another visit !

    Firstly, while I too thought that the modern SNP was slightly left of centre we have to remember that they used to be called the "Tartan Tories" for a very long time. I honestly do think that there is now a good balance between left and right in the SNP, and that has to be a good thing.

    Secondly, I do not think that there is very much of what you call the "hating of the English" in the ranks of the SNP supporters, as many of them are made up of English people, just like me.

    While I was born in England, ( Northumberland ), I always say that as soon as I was old enough to crawl "I crawled over the border". Now it is simply great to be a part of a very effective Nationalist cause even if we did not actually win the referendum.

    I wear a wee lapel badge saying "proud to be one of the 45" and that feels good.

    I firmly expect the SNP to steal a lot of the seats in Westminster from The Labour camp, ( we already have all but one of the Tory seats up here ), and, I hope, we will finish up with quite a good grip on the balance of power in Westminster.

    I cannot wait for the election, as I think it is going to be the most satisfying election we have seen in Britain for a very long time.


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    Post by riders_on_the_storm on Wed 04 Feb 2015, 8:03 pm

    papa_umau wrote:Hi Andrew, great that you have given us another visit !

    Firstly, while I too thought that the modern SNP was slightly left of centre we have to remember that they used to be called the "Tartan Tories" for a very long time. I honestly do think that there is now a good balance between left and right in the SNP, and that has to be a good thing.

    Secondly, I do not think that there is very much of what you call the "hating of the English" in the ranks of the SNP supporters, as many of them are made up of English people, just like me.

    While I was born in England, ( Northumberland ), I always say that as soon as I was old enough to crawl "I crawled over the border". Now it is simply great to be a part of a very effective Nationalist cause even if we did not actually win the referendum.

    I wear a wee lapel badge saying "proud to be one of the 45" and that feels good.

    I firmly expect the SNP to steal a lot of the seats in Westminster from The Labour camp, ( we already have all but one of the Tory seats up here ), and, I hope, we will finish up with quite a good grip on the balance of power in Westminster.

    I cannot wait for the election, as I think it is going to be the most satisfying election we have seen in Britain for a very long time.

    Aye good to pay a visit back in and see you're all still here!

    So you think it's going to be a interesting election? Well I think so too. The thing is they are saying, as you said, that the SNP may steal a lot of the seats from Labour. Now seeing labour getting the tory treatment in Scotland will be happy no end, they've languished here for far too long, and even though I am highly suspicious of the Scottish "nationalist" party, if they win a majority in Scotland it will be a means to an end, or at least a means to something hopefully leading up the right path for Scotland. Rid of Labour strike 1 at least.

    So what if there is a pile of SNP MPs does this mean a lot of stirring in the Westminster vipers nest? I think so. In fact you'll probably see that England will go for independence and get it, so making us Scots indy by proxy!

    Just my thoughts - but they're usually right Smile


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    Re: Scotland makes it's very first taxation laws.

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 05 Feb 2015, 11:49 am

    You might be right about that last statement Andrew, but that will take a very long time to come about, I think.

    I have studied the polls very closely over the past few months, and even if Scotland used to once be a Labour heartland this is no longer the case.

    The bad things that Labour under Blair and Brown have done to Scotland has sent the left-wingers like me racing to the annals of the SNP and this is going to show in the general election in May.

    What I think will happen, ( and I could still be proved wrong here ), is that the SNP and the other smaller parties, including the Greens and UKIP are going to finish up with the balance of power in Westminster and as such we are going to see the Tories trying to form a coalition with UKIP and the SNP showing a willingness to join a Labour coalition in order to have a clear majority of seats.

    With the decimation of the Tories and the Lib-Dems, ( and Labour in Scotland ), the previously strong two party system is going to be blown apart.

    What will grow in their place is going to be hard to call.

    I have really enjoyed our debates again Andrew, and I wish that you would have a look around and give us your opinion on more of the subjects in ROB.


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    Re: Scotland makes it's very first taxation laws.

    Post by Angie baby on Sat 07 Feb 2015, 12:54 pm

    Hello Andrew, nice to see you from me too ! I love you

    I see no reason why the regions should not have a bit of devolution too, if not actual independence from London.

    Living in the North I see how many times we are treated as second-class citizens by Westminster.

    "Come the revolution" eh ?
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    Post by riders_on_the_storm on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 12:19 pm

    Angie baby wrote:Hello Andrew, nice to see you from me too ! I love you

    I see no reason why the regions should not have a bit of devolution too, if not actual independence from London.

    Living in the North I see how many times we are treated as second-class citizens by Westminster.

    "Come the revolution" eh ?

    Hi Angie

    Nice to see you're still here and I'll try and pop in from time to time to rattle a few cages (Paps mainly Smile)

    The thing you've got to remember with all this devolution is it isn't "more power to the people", at least not in the long term anyway, we might have some short-term policies that make people think it is more power to the people, and that we should continue down that road, however long-term the plan is (And I know paps you'll pipe up here) regionalisation of the UK into Europe, then World Government, that is the plan, it's undeniable, it's documented everywhere and almost every "leader" has openly stated their desire to see it come to fruition. And whatever potions and lotions our illustrious elite sell us in the short-term to convince us it's for 'the greater good' you can be sure it's actually part of their long-term plan.

    If you want a taste of this long-term plan take a look at this and you'll see what I mean. H.G. Wells gives us a hint of the future in his many writings and films.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/hg_wells/12408.shtml

    He was entrenched in the elite circles and knew exactly what was coming - same as Orwell that's why he wrote 1984 about the surveillance state it wasn't fiction it was what was to come:

    "He stresses the requirement for a centralised, global power, above that of individual nations"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._G._Wells

    His most consistent political ideal was the World State. He stated in his autobiography that from 1900 onward he considered a World State inevitable. He envisioned the state to be a planned society that would advance science, end nationalism, and allow people to progress by merit rather than birth. Wells's 1928 book The Open Conspiracy argued that groups of campaigners should begin advocating for a "world commonwealth", governed by a scientific elite, that would work to eliminate problems such as poverty and warfare.

    The bolderised bits are the usual snake oil they sell us to push an idea forward. It's the same thing they are doing today.

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    Post by papa_umau on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 12:32 pm

    The thing is Andrew that democratic devolution is not centralisation, ( as in the H.G. Wells vision of Globalisation ).

    The only thing we may get is more, ( expensive ), levels of government if such devolution is granted to the North of England and to Ireland and Wales.

    Nobody ever said that devolution was a cheap way of doing it, and I think that this devolution is worth paying for..

    I also think that what Angie, ( and me ), are getting at is bringing decisions that effect us in the regions much closer to the people they effect.

    Scotland with all of it's willingness to fight Westminster centralisation, HAS already been granted the best thing short of independence yet.


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    Post by riders_on_the_storm on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 12:42 pm

    papa_umau wrote:The thing is Andrew that democratic devolution is not centralisation, ( as in the H.G. Wells vision of Globalisation ).

    The only thing we may get is more, ( expensive ), levels of government if such devolution is granted to the North of England and to Ireland and Wales.

    Nobody ever said that devolution was a cheap way of doing it, and I think that this devolution is worth paying for..

    papa_umau wrote:I also think that what Angie, ( and me ), are getting at is bringing decisions that effect us in the regions much closer to the people they effect.

    But will bringing these decisions physically closer actually make them better - is the question you should be asking yourself?

    papa_umau wrote:Scotland with all of it's willingness to fight Westminster centralisation, HAS already been granted the best thing short of independence yet.

    All sounds great in theory paps but what has changed so far really. I don't see much improvement in anything to be honest? I'm guessing you might quote free-prescription charges or the Scottish Parliament having budgetary and decision making power over the NHS. SNP haven't exactly made good the NHS - I know because I work in the IT/stats side of things there! They are doing the same as Broon, pump more and more money in and pay more and more managers and spin doctors to paint over the cracks.


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    Post by papa_umau on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 12:48 pm

    Your'e on the ball today Andrew ! Twisted Evil

    I guess that the best argument that can be put forward to support "devo-max" for all, is the one that allows us to make our own mistakes instead of having these mistakes thrust upon us by distant governments.

    Having our political leaders close at hand also means that we do not have to go far to protest when they invariably DO get it wrong.


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    Post by riders_on_the_storm on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 1:12 pm

    papa_umau wrote:Your'e on the ball today Andrew ! Twisted Evil

    I guess that the best argument that can be put forward to support "devo-max" for all, is the one that allows us to make our own mistakes instead of having these mistakes thrust upon us by distant governments.

    Having our political leaders close at hand also means that we do not have to go far to protest when they invariably DO get it wrong.

    That's one thing you can be sure of - they will get it wrong!
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    Post by papa_umau on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 11:10 am

    Sadly, true Andrew.

    But still, it is better to have them within arms-reach when they do bugger-up.

    There is nothing better than them being close to the people to make them watch their Ps & Qs.

    Even as a "Liebor" man from way back I have really enjoyed watching the Scottish Labour being put to the sword by the SNP government after betraying us under Blair and Brown.

    I think that many thousands of "real" Labour people, just like myself, have contributed to the fall of the Londonised Labour party here.

    Just what they deserved !


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    Post by riders_on_the_storm on Tue 31 Mar 2015, 8:55 pm

    papa_umau wrote:Sadly, true Andrew.

    But still, it is better to have them within arms-reach when they do bugger-up.

    There is nothing better than them being close to the people to make them watch their Ps & Qs.

    Even as a "Liebor" man from way back I have really enjoyed watching the Scottish Labour being put to the sword by the SNP government after betraying us under Blair and Brown.

    I think that many thousands of "real" Labour people, just like myself, have contributed to the fall of the Londonised Labour party here.

    Just what they deserved !

    You know paps I find this all very strange this whole SNP and no clout at Westminster thing. There's a guy in my work who's pro SNP and his main argument is we don't have any clout in London, everything is done for London and surrounding areas and that Scotland gets the short straw; basically a divisive hatred of the English, and student union politics seems to be what he is driving at rather than realising that for example an English poor person in England is really no better off than a poor person in Scotland. Yes there's more jobs down there, more services etc. but that's just how it's been for hundreds of years, because there's more people, and it's driven mainly by market forces not politics.

    This no power in England is an argument I've heard for years and it means nothing because the Parliament is not an English parliament but the British parliament. Yet right now all we are hearing in the news is the potential that the SNP can sway the power balance in London to effectively be the tail that wags the dog so as to speak. So I guess rather than having no power then it seems we actually have much more than we (the Scots) think. remember also the years of the Scots swaying the Labour vote that got them into power (sadly)? We are now also hearing that Sturgeon is likely to do a deal with Labour to get some hand in power, backing off the removal of trident and other things they previously promised to implement.

    I keep saying this but the SNP are Europhiles and if we went indy then it would basically be Greece part deux, we would have apparent power but the real string pullers and bean counters would be in that great unelected dinosaur the EU. Not sure if you've came across this blog before, quite an interesting expose of the SNP from a former member, quite interesting read all the same.

    http://glasgowunihumanrights.blogspot.co.uk/

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    Post by papa_umau on Wed 01 Apr 2015, 10:59 am

    I think that is based on conjecture and wishful thinking most of the time.

    I guess we are going to have to wait and see the effect that a strong SNP in Westminster will have in the long term.

    I for one am certainly looking forward to the massive shake-up that is going to happen in British politics after May 7th.


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    Post by riders_on_the_storm on Mon 27 Apr 2015, 9:21 am

    papa_umau wrote:I think that is based on conjecture and wishful thinking most of the time.

    I guess we are going to have to wait and see the effect that a strong SNP in Westminster will have in the long term.

    I for one am certainly looking forward to the massive shake-up that is going to happen in British politics after May 7th.

    Yea paps but the question is - is it going to benefit people or the Westminster/Scot Parliament/Media soap opera? When will we see certainty/stability and a drive to recognise real issues people want solved and a desire to actually fix those problems rather than using them as a political football.

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    Post by papa_umau on Mon 27 Apr 2015, 11:09 am

    Hi again Andrew.

    I think we in Scotland are going to get the best of both worlds when we send a large number of MPs to Westminster. ( anything up to "50 MP's" as quoted by a professional Tory Pollster Lord ).

    If we cannot get full independence, the next best thing has to be to have enough seats in Westminster to drive things how we might like them to be driven.

    Miliband has ruled out a coalition with the SNP after the election, but he may find that he will be going cap-in-hand to the SNP members to get many of his left-wing policies through.

    Nicola sturgeon has already said that she and her Westminster soldiers are not going to form up a formal coalition. But she did say that she may be willing, as the leader of the SNP, to make deals as and when Scotland needs them.

    If the Tories and the Lib Dems and the UKIP mob are beaten all that will be left will be that come-and-come-again deal in order to run Britain and especially Scotland.

    The SNP election slogan of "Stronger for Scotland" will be enough to replace the lack of independence.

    Sturgeon could finish up as a "King-maker" in this situation.

    Can't wait for May 7th !


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    Post by riders_on_the_storm on Mon 27 Apr 2015, 4:07 pm

    papa_umau wrote:Hi again Andrew.

    I think we in Scotland are going to get the best of both worlds when we send a large number of MPs to Westminster. ( anything up to "50 MP's" as quoted by a professional Tory Pollster Lord ).

    If we cannot get full independence, the next best thing has to be to have enough seats in Westminster to drive things how we might like them to be driven.

    Miliband has ruled out a coalition with the SNP after the election, but he may find that he will be going cap-in-hand to the SNP members to get many of his left-wing policies through.

    Nicola sturgeon has already said that she and her Westminster soldiers are not going to form up a formal coalition. But she did say that she may be willing, as the leader of the SNP, to make deals as and when Scotland needs them.

    If the Tories and the Lib Dems and the UKIP mob are beaten all that will be left will be that come-and-come-again deal in order to run Britain and especially Scotland.

    The SNP election slogan of "Stronger for Scotland" will be enough to replace the lack of independence.

    Sturgeon could finish up as a "King-maker" in this situation.

    Can't wait for May 7th !

    "Left-wing" is what worries me!
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    Post by papa_umau on Tue 28 Apr 2015, 12:08 pm

    This England for the English laws rubbish is a divisive argument that Cameron is spouting just to try to drag a few more votes back from UKIP.

    I find it galling that he should pull this one when he and his Labour partners beat up Scotland in the referendum vote in their "Better Together" argument when now they are talking up an English government that will try to push any Scottish influence out of BRITISH politics.

    I think he wants to make up his own mind as to whether he wants a united Britain or four different and specific parliaments.

    He is trying to have his cake and eat it too here, and that is just not on.


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    Post by riders_on_the_storm on Mon 04 May 2015, 7:31 pm

    Angie baby wrote:That's interesting Papa.

    By the time that Scotland and the SNP parliament get all of the new devolved powers that were promised during the referendum they are going to have almost as much power as they would have had if independence had been granted.

    Exactly Angie it didn't matter if we got indy as the break up of the UK was well under way anyway, they had planned for both outcomes.

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