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    Another look at religious dilemmas.

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    Another look at religious dilemmas.

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 11 Mar 2014, 12:32 pm

    Being a secularist, and a male feminist, ( there is such a thing you knowLaughing ), I regularly examine how the religions, ( all of them ), look at secular values like equal rights between the sexes.

    For some reason most religions, including Christianity, and especially Islam, cannot see that women, within their religious bases, should be treated equally in all things.

    This institutionalised misogyny appears to undervalue the female gender as inferior to the male gender when it comes to applying human rights and equal rights within the hierarchy of these religious.

    Even when such religious tenets are passed into everyday life we see this devaluing of equality standards pervading almost all situations.

    Emma Barnett, Women's Editor of The Daily Telegraph, and an orthodox Jew, sees this within her own religious background and admits that this does produce some serious dilemmas as a feminist in her daily life.

    Read more from Emma Barnett on this subject HERE and come back and tell us how you feel about this postulation.


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    Post by Technician on Tue 11 Mar 2014, 7:41 pm

    Hi Paps,

    Very interesting all that. I would not call myself a 'male feminist'. I have met many 'feminists' in my career in sociology, and I must say they can all carry on and do what they wish. Its equaly valid I suppose to have 'equal rights for men', but there again, that's another issue.

    Religion causes so many polarising views, and it will continue to do so. From being a very young man I have tried to understand ( and in some cases follow and become involved in various religious stances ) I have not take the view of Marx that religion is just an 'opium for the working classes'.

    I have attended Congregationalist and Baptist churches, Church of England ( my mother in law was a fanatic!! ) Bahai Faith ( when I lived in the Isle of Man ), Catholic ( I was good mates with a local priest ). I have had a healthy interst in psychical research and the question of life after death, and have even attended Spiritualist meetings....Alll very interesting.

    I became convinced for instance of life after death, but over the last few years my doubts have incresed ( The religious amongst readers will call it a loss of faith ).... I am now in a position where I find it ALL bullshit. I no longer have faith in any of it.

    I don't know why I am like this. I am certainly more cynical, or perhaps I have a wealth of experience to fall back on; and I have not come to this conclusion lightly....but I am afraid once the lights go out that will be IT !!!

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    Re: Another look at religious dilemmas.

    Post by papa_umau on Wed 12 Mar 2014, 11:55 am

    Hi Technician, and thank you for taking up the point.

    I have always felt that one does not need to be a woman to take an interest in women's equal rights and that is why I call myself a "male feminist".

    Men have historically headed up just about all of the positions of power in the world for far too long, but as women become more "emancipated", in all aspects of daily life, ( excuse the pun ), they are slowly being given the rights that they should always have had BY RIGHT.

    In the management areas of our working places, and in politics, women are making good inroads, but as far as religion goes, ( especially the fundamentalist religions ), the male priests and hierarchy are fighting hard to hold down this gender to the absolute minimums of power.

    I think that you and I are closer than we might think at first glance as I too was brought up through my tender years in a family that was very religious. I was made a member of the First Presbyterian Church of Ireland when I lived there with my Irish family and I was forced to go to church, Sunday school and, in the evening, the Salvation Army singalongs while I lived there. ( I was not allowed to play, as a child should, on Sundays ).

    I very quickly started to find out that even as "religious" and loving people, they harboured and applied a lot of bigotry and hate towards the Roman Catholics in the community. All of my Irish family were like that.

    When I was brought back to Scotland at nine years of age, to live with my mother again, I was enrolled into the Scottish Baptist Church and after refusing to go to that lot I was then put to The Church of Scotland.

    I did not like that I was then made to go to church by my day-school and that I was made to pray every morning to a God that I was very quickly losing faith in.

    By the time I was around fourteen I was committed to being a full blown atheist, as by that time I TOO had realised that the organised religions were total "crap" too.

    Ever since then I have been able, from the outside, to look in and see just how unreasonable, unfair and biased all of the religions are, and I have followed the tenets of the humanists and the secularists as my model for a good life, and to try to be a good person. In my opinion the religions do not and should not have the reserve of morals and ethics just because they think they are "holier than thou".

    Sorry if I went on a bit about that, but I am just as passionate, as an atheist and a humanist, as the people of faith are when they blindly follow their faiths. At least my beliefs are based on provable fact and science and not on fairy stories told by people who want to indoctrinate me into their own - in my opinion - foolish and empty beliefs.

    Because I am a Socialist and not a Communist, I do not - like Marx - think that religion is necessarily, now, an "addiction for the working classes" even if, at one time, it might have been.


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    Re: Another look at religious dilemmas.

    Post by Angie baby on Sat 15 Mar 2014, 11:41 am

    Fore someone who is not religious you certainly spend a lot of time examining religion Papa. Shocked
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    Re: Another look at religious dilemmas.

    Post by papa_umau on Sun 16 Mar 2014, 1:00 pm

    Yes Angie, and may I say, "well spotted", as even as an atheist I do take an interest in the world's religions.

    I have always thought that if one wants to talk about other people's faith, one needs to know a bit about the contents of these beliefs.

    I can know something about other people's beliefs without necessarily needing to subscribe to any of them.


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