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    The thieving "puggies"

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    The thieving "puggies"

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 01 Feb 2014, 12:09 pm

    I have written about this particular rip-off before and as I cannot find the original thread I will update this topic by starting it anew.

    We all know about the risks we take when we go into casinos and very few of us actually gamble in this way, but now we are seeing a serious rise in the use of fixed odds gambling machines in every bookies' shop.

    I am refreshing this topic as I now have some data on the actual amount of debt people are getting into because of addiction to these machines.

    Shocking new figures reveal that in Scotland alone these betting machines have drawn in 4.1 billion a year and that this equates to 820 for every many, woman and child north of the border.

    What is worse is that despite feeding 130 per second into these machines the Scots gamblers got less than 150 million a year back. That works out at less than four percent of a return.

    Dubbed the "crack-cocaine of gambling" these machines allow gamblers to stake 18,000 an hour on virtual casino games like Roulette, Blackjack and Poker.

    I cannot even imagine how much money is taken out of the pockets of gamblers right across the UK as I do not have those figures, but I can imagine that these figures could easily be quadrupled across Britain.

    The Campaign for Fairer Gambling, who compiled these figures through the Office of National Statistics, have called on the government to tighten the rules on these machines.




    I think that it is time that these addictive machines were taken out of all of the bookies shops in the land.

    What say you ?


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    Re: The thieving "puggies"

    Post by Angie baby on Sat 01 Feb 2014, 1:35 pm

    " Four percent of a return" ??????

    I thought that the gambling laws made sure that a guaranteed minimum amount of the money taken by these machines went on payouts ?

    When I went to the Gambling Commission website I found this:

    ( RTP ) = Returns to player.

    There is no statutory minimum percentage payout for a gaming machine. The technical standards for legacy gaming machines however, do put a lower limit of 70% as a % RTP.

    It is important to realise however, that the % RTP is an average achieved over a significant number of game plays* and not each time the gaming machine is played. For example, if a gaming machine displays an 85% RTP, you should not expect to win an average of 85 pence for every 1 you stake during a playing session.

    *Average % RTP is generally measured over 10,000 or 100,000 games or greater for compensated (1) and random (2) machines respectively, dependent upon their category.

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    If this is true then how do they get away with only paying out "less than a four percent return", as stated ?

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    Re: The thieving "puggies"

    Post by papa_umau on Sun 02 Feb 2014, 12:27 pm

    Hi Angie.

    You have brought up a very good point there my dear.

    I guess that the two points that matter are:

    1 ). As you already said: "There is no statutory minimum percentage payout for a gaming machine".

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    2 ). These odds are only worked out over anything from ten thousand to a hundred thousand plays.

    With conditions like that to the fore I can see that not only can the bookies pay out whatever they like, but any payout is set on a number of plays that no one punter will ever see.

    No, Angie, I think that the odds on these machines should be properly FIXED so that the punters know what they are actually liable to get back, and, if they cannot do this then these machines should be banned from bookies shops and taken well away from people who are already at risk of a gambling addiction.


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    Re: The thieving "puggies"

    Post by zathrus on Thu 06 Feb 2014, 12:27 pm

    I know one thing; and that is that even although I actually like a wee gamble now and again, I never go near those nasty bits of kit as it is just too easy to throw your wages into them.

    Even as a gambler I agree that those bloody things should be banned.
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    Re: The thieving "puggies"

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:27 am

    I like a bit of a flutter too Zath' but I think that these machines are just too easy to get hooked on to be allowed free rein in every bookies shop.

    There used to be a member of my family that was a gambling addict and I can tell you under no uncertain terms that being addicted to these machines IS worse than being addicted to heroin.


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    Re: The thieving "puggies"

    Post by Hell's Granny on Mon 31 Mar 2014, 3:02 pm

    Afraid this one goes straight over my head as I have never felt the urge to gamble, and have never set foot in a betting shop.
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    Re: The thieving "puggies"

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 01 Apr 2014, 11:01 am

    Hi HG, it is lovely to hear from you again: I thought you had forgotten about us.

    Yes, you are right that these noxious things are targetted mostly at men as women very rarely go into bookies shops and they are much less liable to become gambling addicts either.

    It is just a shame that a lot of men are weak as far as this goes.

    BTW.... I had heard that the Labour party are already looking at banning of these machines when and if they get back into power next year.


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