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    Is Britain a gun-runner state ?

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    papa_umau
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    Is Britain a gun-runner state ?

    Post by papa_umau on Wed 17 Jul 2013, 11:02 am

    Few of us would condone the act of gun-running and yet it appears that Western governments from the so-called "free world" are just as bad as the privateer gun-runners that acquire and sell weapons to anybody or any state that will buy them.




    See this headline in The Independent newspaper:

    Blood money: UKs 12.3bn arms sales to repressive states.
    Government approves thousands of deals with states it condemns for human rights abuses.


    This Government has issued more than 3,000 export licences for military and intelligence equipment worth a total of 12.3bn to countries which are on its own official list for human rights abuses.

    Read more on this HERE




    It seems that so long as it is done by so-called "civilised" Western states, it is OK to trade death and destruction in order to keep our arms manufacturers working and earning.

    Is this right or is it just another example of governmental double standards ?


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    Re: Is Britain a gun-runner state ?

    Post by zathrus on Thu 18 Jul 2013, 11:37 am

    Of course Britain is a "gun-runner" state as it has always been such.

    In fact just about every modern and industrialised country like Britain and America and France et-al have always sold weapons to just about any country that wanted them, apart from a very few really unstable ones.

    That is what Capitalism is all about.
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    Re: Is Britain a gun-runner state ?

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 19 Jul 2013, 11:47 am

    So true Zath'.

    One in particular that stands out is where the Argentines used French-made Exocet missiles to attack our ships around the Falklands during that crisis.

    Even IF they try hard not to sell modern weapons to what they see as unstable regimes there is no guarantee that these regimes will always be stable ones.

    The profit motive is a very powerful one and just about all arms manufacturers will sell their wares whenever and wherever they can.


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    Re: Is Britain a gun-runner state ?

    Post by Angie baby on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 11:30 am

    That's a bit of nasty information that I did not know Papa.

    The Exocet thing, I mean.

    Mind you, I am not one bit surprised either as we don't just make arms for our own armed services, we must sell these arms abroad too to make the factories viable.

    Guns and bombs etc' are just commodities like any other manufactured items I guess.

    Distasteful, but unavoidable I think.
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    Re: Is Britain a gun-runner state ?

    Post by papa_umau on Sun 21 Jul 2013, 12:18 pm

    Another interesting couple of facts:

    When the Soviet Union was trying to subdue Afghanistan many years ago and after the Mujahadeen drove them out of the country we see The Taliban, ( who were built from the Mujahadeen warriors ), using Russian-made surface to air missiles, ( SAMs ), against the allied aircraft in the present war in Afaghanistan.

    Also almost all terrorists right across the world use the ubiquitous Kalashnikov assault rifle that was either made in Communist Russia or Communist China.


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    Re: Is Britain a gun-runner state ?

    Post by hughh on Tue 30 Jul 2013, 11:45 am

    papa_umau wrote:So true Zath'.

    One in particular that stands out is where the Argentines used French-made Exocet missiles to attack our ships around the Falklands during that crisis.

    Even IF they try hard not to sell modern weapons to what they see as unstable regimes there is no guarantee that these regimes will always be stable ones.

    The profit motive is a very powerful one and just about all arms manufacturers will sell their wares whenever and wherever they can.
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    Re: Is Britain a gun-runner state ?

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 30 Jul 2013, 11:57 am

    Hi Hughh

    Just a wee tip:

    When using the "quote" buttons always ensure that the comment that you make on the inserted quotation is made outside the actual "quote" tags

    The closing quote tag looks like this: [/quote]


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