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    Osborne"panicking" over the economy....

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 23 Apr 2013, 11:26 am

    Mr Osborne, yesterday, said that the British economy still “faces very serious economic challenges” but denied that a series of recent criticisms from independent experts had left him concerned.

    However, there is a concern among Conservative strategists that voters will not notice the economic recovery as the cost of living continues to rise while wages stagnate.

    Read more from the Telegraph HERE.




    Well folks, do you think that Osborne has good reason to start "panicking" or do you think that under this Chancellor everything in the British economic garden is coming up roses ?


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    Post by Parliament.... on Wed 24 Apr 2013, 1:09 pm

    papa_umau wrote:Mr Osborne, yesterday, said that the British economy still “faces very serious economic challenges” but denied that a series of recent criticisms from independent experts had left him concerned.

    However, there is a concern among Conservative strategists that voters will not notice the economic recovery as the cost of living continues to rise while wages stagnate.

    Read more from the Telegraph HERE.




    Well folks, do you think that Osborne has good reason to start "panicking" or do you think that under this Chancellor everything in the British economic garden is coming up roses ?

    Papa, we are seeing/hearing/finding out, only what the media want us to know.

    Excuses for our flagging economy are flying thick and fast. But the truth is that Osborne and Cameron could'nt care less. They like the economy like it is, they soak up the bullshit spouted about them.

    The Tories rule by fear and ignorance.

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    Post by papa_umau on Thu 25 Apr 2013, 11:32 am

    Yeah, OK, while I guess that is your usual spin on things, I am not yet ready to tar all of the media with your very wide brush.

    I think that if we are discerning we CAN get the truth out of some branches of the media.

    Any other view would just be serious paranoia !

    I ask the question again:

    If one can depend on getting the truth out of certain branches of the media, do any of us think that Osborne is right that all is fine in the English garden, OR, is it true that Osborne has good reason to be worried and to panic ?

    My opinion of this fool is that he is doing a typically "Tory" trick, of sticking his head in the economic sand and hoping that the next recession will not happen under his watch ?


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    Post by Parliament.... on Thu 25 Apr 2013, 11:55 am

    papa_umau wrote:Yeah, OK, while I guess that is your usual spin on things, I am not yet ready to tar all of the media with your very wide brush.

    I think that if we are discerning we CAN get the truth out of some branches of the media.

    Any other view would just be serious paranoia !

    I ask the question again:

    If one can depend on getting the truth out of certain branches of the media, do any of us think that Osborne is right that all is fine in the English garden, OR, is it true that Osborne has good reason to be worried and to panic ?

    My opinion of this fool is that he is doing a typically "Tory" trick, of sticking his head in the economic sand and hoping that the next recession will not happen under his watch ?

    Papa, we are in recession after recession due to the same right wing agenda since Thatcher took office in the 80's. The Tories love recessions because they are economists who are deemed competent, as they continue on their agenda of bringing Britain to it's knees removing the State and the welfare state because they dont believe in either.

    And under cover of reducing the deficit which I might add, they are getting away with nicely.

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    Post by zathrus on Thu 25 Apr 2013, 12:01 pm

    So, in fact, what you are saying is that they don't care if the people think that they are "bringing Britain to it's knees" ?

    No my friend, I don't think that they are "getting away with" anything.

    Sometimes, in your naivete, you show a stunning lack of knowledge about what makes the Tories and the British electorate tick.

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    Post by Parliament.... on Thu 25 Apr 2013, 12:56 pm

    zathrus wrote:So, in fact, what you are saying is that they don't care if the people think that they are "bringing Britain to it's knees" ?

    No my friend, I don't think that they are "getting away with" anything.

    Sometimes, in your naivete, you show a stunning lack of knowledge about what makes the Tories and the British electorate tick.

    zathrus. When you've been in politics as long as I have, you might understand me, experience, is education.

    The Tory's are running an agenda to roll back the state and destroy welfare, because they dont believe in either.

    In my view the British largely have no idea of this right wing agenda. And the media along with Ed Milliband are also keeping quiet.

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    Post by papa_umau on Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:34 pm

    I think that you might be surprised by the numbers of people in Britain that ARE aware of the Tory agenda, and it is not just you that think this.


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    Post by Parliament.... on Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:39 pm

    papa_umau wrote:I think that you might be surprised by the numbers of people in Britain that ARE aware of the Tory agenda, and it is not just you that think this.

    Papa, the British people largely are neither politically aware, or educated.

    If they were, we would not have had over 30 years of right wing rule. We can take 13 years of right wing New Labour from that total. Labour voters nationwide thought they were getting the return of a Labour Government in 1997, Blair sold us out to continued Thatcherism.

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    Post by papa_umau on Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:51 pm

    See, there you go again, tarring all of the British electorate with your very broad brush.

    In the last seven governments we have had three terms of New-Labour, and counting this one, we have had FOUR terms of Toryism, and because of this history I say that the British people, ( this "uneducated and politically unaware" electorate of yours ), are now seriously looking for a true third way.

    It is up to the fresh-minded political pundits of the future to decide where British politics go in the years to come.

    You might be surprised to find that there are PLENTY of British people that are EXACTLY like that, including Ed Miliband !


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    Post by Parliament.... on Fri 26 Apr 2013, 2:22 pm

    papa_umau wrote:See, there you go again, tarring all of the British electorate with your very broad brush.

    In the last seven governments we have had three terms of New-Labour, and counting this one, we have had FOUR terms of Toryism, and because of this history I say that the British people, ( this "uneducated and politically unaware" electorate of yours ), are now seriously looking for a true third way.

    It is up to the fresh-minded political pundits of the future to decide where British politics go in the years to come.

    You might be surprised to find that there are PLENTY of British people that are EXACTLY like that, including Ed Miliband !

    ""are now seriously looking for a true third way"". Yes, "NOW" they are. It's only taken 30 odd years, gggggggggggggggeeeeeeeze.

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    Post by papa_umau on Sat 27 Apr 2013, 11:04 am

    Actually the "third way" has been discussed at many levels for many years and our Tony Blair was the first politician to actually deliver his view of this "third way". See THIS

    The problem with Blair, ( as clever as he was ), was that he took this "third way" too far over to the right.

    I have always believed in the "third way" and initially thought that Blair had it right until he started to introduce far too many Thatcherite policies while in power.

    I had even considered that the Liberal Democrats might have been good for this elusive "third way", but after they threw their lot in with the Tories I realised that they were more interested in the few crumbs that would come from the Tory top table than in producing any new and fresh course for British politics.

    Now, as I see it, all that is left in this wish for a "third way" is the Labour government that Ed Miliband will produce if he gets the votes at the next GE.


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    Post by Parliament.... on Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:36 pm

    papa_umau wrote:Actually the "third way" has been discussed at many levels for many years and our Tony Blair was the first politician to actually deliver his view of this "third way". See THIS

    The problem with Blair, ( as clever as he was ), was that he took this "third way" too far over to the right.

    I have always believed in the "third way" and initially thought that Blair had it right until he started to introduce far too many Thatcherite policies while in power.

    I had even considered that the Liberal Democrats might have been good for this elusive "third way", but after they threw their lot in with the Tories I realised that they were more interested in the few crumbs that would come from the Tory top table than in producing any new and fresh course for British politics.

    Now, as I see it, all that is left in this wish for a "third way" is the Labour government that Ed Miliband will produce if he gets the votes at the next GE.

    Papa, Blair's "third way", was means testing for everyone, while the rich got richer. Thanks for the link, but what ive just said is the bottom line.

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    Post by papa_umau on Sun 28 Apr 2013, 11:49 am

    Again, you are being simplistic, as a good "third way" in politics is much more than just right-wing rhetoric.

    If the government of the future want to be fair to everybody in Britain they are going to have to produce a true and unbiased "third-way" that most of the people of Britain at all levels will see as fair.

    That is not going to be an easy thing to do as in order to please the centre-right as much as they will please the centre-left EVERYBODY is going to have to get a fair crack of the whip.

    Blair was close to this in his personal desires, but he DID take his vision too far over to the right with New-Labour.

    I honestly believe that Ed Miliband is just the man to redress this balance if he allows his own Socialist family values to influence his plans in the future of Britain's politics.

    This direction is NOT going to come from ANY of the other political parties in Britain.


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