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    Facts about immigration.

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    Facts about immigration.

    Post by Parliament.... on Tue 26 Mar 2013, 11:14 am

    There is now a debacle between Tory Prime Minister David Cameron and Nigel Farage of the UKIP on immigration, the bottom line of their argument suggests that many EU immigrants come to Britain to live on our welfare State benefits. And to get prioritised housing. This is propagandist rubbish.

    EU migrants ""cannot"" claim any benefits until they are in the system by working, and one full year of employment without being unemployed, entitles them to just 1/ 3rd of what British claimants get.

    Non EU immigrants CANNOT claim benefits until they have been granted Indefinite Leave to Remain. A non EU immigrant must have been legally resident in the UK for five years before they can claim ILR or for two years if they married a UK national.
    EU immigrants are allowed to claim certain reciprocal benefits if they would be entitled to them in their own country. This applies to Brits living abroad for example the 500,000 UK nationals currently living in Spain are also entitled to claim benefits through the Spanish system.

    Asylum seekers are treated differently and are far fewer in number than the right wing national press would want you to believe.

    Until asylum is granted, they cannot work, but can apply for financial support if they are destitute. The level of support is currently as follows:

    Married couple (or in a civil partnership): 69.57
    Lone parent aged 18 or over: 42.16
    Single person aged 18 or over: 35.13
    Single person over 16, but under 18 38.18
    Person aged under 16: 50.81
    Pregnant women and women with children aged under three get additional help.
    On housing, the Home Office uses private landlords and never in London or the South East, so they are not taking accommodation from UK citizens.

    Non EU immigrants cannot bring in "shiploads of dependents". Unlike many countries for example the USA, the UK only allows direct relations to join their family in the UK. i.e. minor children, spouses, or elderly parents who are totally financially reliant on their child and have no other children in their home country to care for them . They must be able to prove that they can support them financially and provide adequate accommodation.

    I am not defending immigration. I'm putting some perspective (and facts) to scare mongering misinformation which is deliberately designed to create a rift between the indigenous population and immigrants.
    It IS possible to misinform and feed off the prejudices of those who take the media FANTASY at face value without checking FACTS.

    And you cannot get a National Insurance No, if you are not legally in the UK.

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    Re: Facts about immigration.

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 26 Mar 2013, 11:29 am

    Yes, this is a popular misconception that the likes of the hard-line Tories and the UKIP party and the BNP party feed on every day.

    These groups are happy that the ordinary Brits keep jumping to this mistaken conclusion as it gives them and their other xenophobic supporters reason to hate anything that is not like them.

    One thing that these people forget is that all modern countries in the West are built on the hard work and ingenuity that their immigrant ancestors brought to this country.

    They also conveniently forget that many if not all of them are second or third generation immigrants themselves.


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    Re: Facts about immigration.

    Post by bowsertoad on Tue 26 Mar 2013, 2:07 pm

    Do you know what, this is the first time that I have found my self agreeing with everything that Ivanhoe has said. The torries are trying to regain the votes they have lost to the "extreme" partys of UKIP and the BNP, by deflecting eyes from the problems currently crippling the country by introducing a hard line policy for Immegrants to the UK.

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    Post by papa_umau on Wed 27 Mar 2013, 11:18 am

    Yes Bowsie, you are dead right on that one.

    They, ( The Tories ), are trying everything in their playbook to attempt to win back the votes they have lost to the ultra right-wing parties.


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    Re: Facts about immigration.

    Post by Parliament.... on Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:25 am

    papa_umau wrote:Yes, this is a popular misconception that the likes of the hard-line Tories and the UKIP party and the BNP party feed on every day.

    These groups are happy that the ordinary Brits keep jumping to this mistaken conclusion as it gives them and their other xenophobic supporters reason to hate anything that is not like them.

    One thing that these people forget is that all modern countries in the West are built on the hard work and ingenuity that their immigrant ancestors brought to this country.

    They also conveniently forget that many if not all of them are second or third generation immigrants themselves.

    Papa, the question I would ask, is why do the BBC allow our politicians to get away with bare face lies ?
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    Post by papa_umau on Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:52 am

    I don't know if they do, ( allow our politicians to get away with "bare-faced lies" ), as even if the BBC is certainly a British institution that tries to serve everybody the same, and while I think that it does often have a right-wing bias, actually lying about anything, for a politician, ( outside of parliament ),does bring with it the risk of charges of slander and libel.

    The BBC has no control whatsoever about what politicians say while in parliament as all spoken words said in parliament are protected by parliamentary privilege.

    Also, many politicians couch their words very carefully so that they cannot be indicted with the charge of actually "telling lies".


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