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    Flu jabs over-hyped and not as effective as claimed !

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    Flu jabs over-hyped and not as effective as claimed !

    Post by papa_umau on Wed 21 Nov 2012, 10:27 am

    The flu vaccine given to millions of people each year in Britain is “over-promoted” and “over-hyped” and the protection it offers against the seasonal illness has been exaggerated, scientists claim.

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    When people like me, who get the flu jab every Autumn, read reports like this we start to wonder about who to believe.

    Opinions please.


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    Re: Flu jabs over-hyped and not as effective as claimed !

    Post by Guest on Thu 22 Nov 2012, 9:21 am

    You like to believe your government knows best so take your medicine and leave.

    Personally I find the more the government recommends something the more I question the motives.

    You have only yourself to blame by putting your life in their hands

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    Re: Flu jabs over-hyped and not as effective as claimed !

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 22 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm

    How negative and defeatist is that opinion then ?

    We SHOULD be able to trust our government to do right by us, as that is what we elected them to do, but increasingly these days we cannot trust any government to look after our rights and needs any more.

    Governments like this are creating a nation of cynics like me and that is sad, sad, sad. Crying or Very sad

    Soon we are not going to be able to trust anyone !



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    Re: Flu jabs over-hyped and not as effective as claimed !

    Post by zathrus on Sun 25 Nov 2012, 1:22 pm

    I think that they mean well by trying to get us all to take the vaccinations and innoculations that are available to us but I often wonder if maybe they are just trying to save money in the NHS by cutting down on the numbers that result there from us not getting these jabs.

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    Post by Guest on Mon 26 Nov 2012, 8:04 am

    The cost of treating people with flu far outweighs the costs of the jabs themselves so I doubt it Zath - however a cynic would argue that this is exactly what the NHS wants - more sick people and therefore more funding through their direct access to the media's heartstrings.

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    Re: Flu jabs over-hyped and not as effective as claimed !

    Post by papa_umau on Mon 26 Nov 2012, 11:57 am

    zathrus wrote:I think that they mean well by trying to get us all to take the vaccinations and innoculations that are available to us but I often wonder if maybe they are just trying to save money in the NHS by cutting down on the numbers that result there from us not getting these jabs.

    I actually agree Zath', that the NHS, and the government that is supposed to run it, do want us to take as many prophylactics as we can in order to prevent illness rather than having to continually spend large amounts of money trying to catch up AFTER these diseases and conditions have taken hold on us.

    Prevention is always better than cure in this respect.

    That said, I think that we have to be sure that these prophylactic drugs and vaccines actually do "what they say on the tin".


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    Re: Flu jabs over-hyped and not as effective as claimed !

    Post by Guest on Mon 26 Nov 2012, 7:49 pm

    To be fair there is a medical reason for this - the length of time to make enough vaccine means they need to start manufacture 'before' the epidemic breaks out. Given that there are tens of different strains they have to second guess which one will spread and put it into production. As even scientists are fallible, this often results in the target being missed and a different strain getting out.

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    Re: Flu jabs over-hyped and not as effective as claimed !

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 27 Nov 2012, 11:28 am

    No Clapco, you have that right AND wrong !

    The normal and seasonal flu-jabs ARE built around the more common strains of the virus that have been discovered up and until each winter but the mutated and pandemic ones that appear, like the Bird Flu ( which mutated into the Swine Flu in Mexico ), and the Asian Flu, ( which killed thousands of people ), and the Spanish Flu which was also pandemic and did the same, are one-off strains that have to be dealt with in different ways.

    Sometimes the vaccine-makers CAN include the strain of the pandemic versions in the seasonal flu vaccine but most of the time these strains have to be tackled one-at-a-time.

    I hope you appreciate just how well you are being educated here on ROB ? Cool


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    Re: Flu jabs over-hyped and not as effective as claimed !

    Post by Guest on Wed 28 Nov 2012, 8:07 am

    Er...I just said that? Who is educating who here?

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    Re: Flu jabs over-hyped and not as effective as claimed !

    Post by papa_umau on Wed 28 Nov 2012, 10:42 am

    NO.... you DID NOT say that.

    I explained that the flu viruses are different and have to be handled in different ways according to their virility, their severity of mutation and the ease that some particular mutations have of becoming pandemic.

    Not all seasonal flu viruses become pandemic ones and it is good to know the difference.

    As I now increasingly seem to have to say to you.....READ IT AGAIN !


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    Re: Flu jabs over-hyped and not as effective as claimed !

    Post by zathrus on Fri 30 Nov 2012, 11:41 am

    Take it easy Paps, you are going to give yourself an ulcer.

    You really shouldn't let that troll wind you up so easily you know.

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    Re: Flu jabs over-hyped and not as effective as claimed !

    Post by Guest on Sat 01 Dec 2012, 8:42 am

    The only difference is I don't use big words to make myself seem important - I use the language of the common man of which I am one. Perhaps if you came down from your ivory tower once in a while you might understand...

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    Re: Flu jabs over-hyped and not as effective as claimed !

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 01 Dec 2012, 12:45 pm

    There goes the guy that has no vocabulary !

    I think that even the word "vocabulary" is too big a word for you.

    I received no accolades from day school but like many self-made men of the past I educated myself to be able to create a website like this and to be able to talk comfortably on it.

    If you are not comfortable with the use or the interpretation of the correct words to say what you want to say then I suggest that maybe YOU should go back to school.

    NOW.... what was that topic again ?


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