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    socialism experiment

    Post by jim on Wed 24 Oct 2012, 11:10 am

    An economics teacher at a local school made a statement that he had never
    failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.
    That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one
    would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

    The teacher then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on the
    plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive
    the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.

    After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The
    students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little
    were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied
    little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they
    wanted a free ride too, so they studied little.

    The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled
    around, the average was an F.

    As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and
    name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the
    benefit of anyone else.

    To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the teacher told them that socialism
    would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to
    succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, and gives
    to those who do nothing, nobody will try or want to succeed.


    It could NOT be any simpler than that.* there IS a test coming up. The next election.


    These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable
    to this experiment:

    1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy
    out of prosperity.

    2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work
    for without receiving.

    3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does
    not first take from somebody else.

    4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work
    because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other
    half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is
    going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any
    nation.
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    Re: socialism experiment

    Post by papa_umau on Wed 24 Oct 2012, 11:21 am

    Yes, that is a very ancient argument against Socialism but it is simply untrue that that is how Socialism actually works.

    That is Socialism seen through the eyes of a Fascist and has nothing whatsoever to do with the fair spreading of wealth and taxation.

    We all create wealth and pay our taxes, ( except for maybe a few that are able to avoid doing this by using loopholes in the taxation laws ), and I have always felt that if we all DO create wealth and pay the taxes that we should then we should ALL share in the bounty that such fairness should impart in our society.

    Of course, as far as Thatcher was concerned "there is no such thing as a Society" and that quote says a lot about how all of the selfish and "me first" Tories think.


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    Post by Guest on Wed 24 Oct 2012, 11:39 am

    Thanks for a simple illustration Jim - wonderful stuff.

    Perhaps Paps can explain how he concludes that you are a Fascist - but anyone who still thinks it is 'Thatcher's fault' shows the paucity of their own arguments.

    The decline of Britain as a world power is almost inversely proportional to the rise of socialism

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    Re: socialism experiment

    Post by Parliament.... on Fri 02 Nov 2012, 12:20 pm

    papa_umau wrote:Yes, that is a very ancient argument against Socialism but it is simply untrue that that is how Socialism actually works.

    That is Socialism seen through the eyes of a Fascist and has nothing whatsoever to do with the fair spreading of wealth and taxation.

    We all create wealth and pay our taxes, ( except for maybe a few that are able to avoid doing this by using loopholes in the taxation laws ), and I have always felt that if we all DO create wealth and pay the taxes that we should then we should ALL share in the bounty that such fairness should impart in our society.

    Of course, as far as Thatcher was concerned "there is no such thing as a Society" and that quote says a lot about how all of the selfish and "me first" Tories think.

    """"""""""We all create wealth and pay our taxes, ( except for maybe a few that are able to avoid doing this by using loopholes in the taxation laws ), and I have always felt that if we all DO create wealth and pay the taxes that we should then we should ALL share in the bounty that such fairness should impart in our society.

    Of course, as far as Thatcher was concerned "there is no such thing as a Society" and that quote says a lot about how all of the selfish and "me first" Tories think""""""""

    Bang on Pap's. We all do pay our taxes and NI contributions, and we expect those taxes and NI contributions to return to us in well funded public services and a decent amount in State pension when we retire.

    We do not expect our own taxes to uphold the greed of privatised Utilities, and our railways.

    But let's be honest Paps, basic human decency is looked down on in our country today, it is seen as a weakness, fairness is completely gone, and in it's place hard nosed ultra right wing capitalism is looked up to.

    And this awful attitude is so entrenched since Thatcher and the 80's, that in my view people are sensitized to it. We have become a soulless nation.


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    Re: socialism experiment

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 02 Nov 2012, 12:44 pm

    As usual Ivanhoe, I still have more faith in the British electorate than you seem to have as even although many people are now leaning towards the "me, me, me," selfish and rightist way of thinking there are still many decent people who are just looking for a fair crack of the whip in daily life.

    It is only the hard-liners to the right and the left that cause the problems as their uncompromising political stances do not allow for true middle-of-the-road thinking.

    I am sure that our Jim and our Clapco are still mistaking what the word Socialism means as like many others in the past they cannot disconnect Socialism from Communism.

    Even Tony Blair - as clever as he was - was unable to separate these two philosophies when he instructed his New-Labour faithful that during his reign of power the word "Socialism" should never be uttered.

    It is now long past time that the words "Social", "Socialist" and "Society" should be accepted by the masses as a good thing for every hard-working individual that is below the level of the super-rich, the privileged, the selfish and the silver-spoon elitists that come out of the public schools like Eton etc' thinking that they are God's gift to the country and born to rule when in reality they are nothing of the kind.


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