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    My letter to Toyota !

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    papa_umau
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    My letter to Toyota !

    Post by papa_umau on Mon 10 Sep 2012, 11:44 am

    Hi again folks.....Here is an -mail that I sent to Toyota after I was incensed at the outrageous cost of the Toyota Prius plug-in car that I so looked forward to buying when my present PFC contract ends next July.




    Dear Samantha Betts. ( Toyota Customer Services )

    Thank you for your timely response to my e-mail to Customer Relations at
    Toyota.

    You suggest that I might like to move downmarket to the Yaris instead of
    buying the Chrysler Ypsion to replace my beloved Prius but While the Yaris
    is a fine car it's cost still puts me off because of the lack of intrinsic
    value that it presents to me at that level.

    Because I feel that the true differences in value between my present Prius and the plug-in
    version - that I would love to buy - are not close enough I do not see the
    intrinsic value in that car either.

    Let me explain: I bought my Prius as a middle-of-the-range example for
    21,000 and the starting range plug-in is 27,000 even with the government
    5,000 incentive taken off.

    What I look for when I buy a car is value for money and while I considered
    my present Prius as expensive and yet "value for money" I simply cannot see the value in a car of the same range as my present car is at around 35,000.

    The important differences between these two cars - as I see it - is the cost
    of a Lithium-Ion motive battery instead of a NIMH battery and the cost of
    the inclusion of the plug in technology instead of no plug in.

    To make this easy to count and compare I will highlight the costs now as
    opposed to the costs when I bought my Prius some eighteen months ago.

    The entry-level of the new plug-in Prius costs around 32,000.

    The entry level non plug-in Prius like my own started at 18,000

    If one takes the 18,000 from the 32,000 one is left with 14,000 of a
    difference.

    I cannot see how the technological differences between these two models
    coming to a cost of 14,000 can be reasonable, right or fair and that leads
    me to think that Toyota are profiteering as are many more electric and
    plug-in car manufacturers too.

    If the cost of these vehicles does not come down to a more reasonable level
    we are not going to see very many of these types of cars on the road and
    because of this we are not going to see public charging points appearing in
    any large numbers as a result.

    Please keep in mind that I am both a conservationist and an environmentalist
    and that I have the strong ethic that is required to pay more for an
    environmentally -friendly car. Even although I am comfortable in my
    retirement from the Civil Service I still cannot make the argument that I
    can afford the new plug-in Prius, and I am extremely sad about that.

    Might you wonder how many more are like me ?

    Regards.....

    Paul R Herd.




    Any comments people ?


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    Re: My letter to Toyota !

    Post by zathrus on Thu 13 Sep 2012, 10:09 am

    Wow mate, that's heavy ! Twisted Evil

    Mind you, I think if more people were to react like you do to profiteering there would by much less of it going about.

    Good for you Paps.

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    Re: My letter to Toyota !

    Post by Guest on Fri 14 Sep 2012, 10:56 am

    Don't kid yourself Zath - If people don't want to buy their over priced product - they wont! Then the price will come down. They developed the technology - why shouldn't they get a return on their investment?

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    Re: My letter to Toyota !

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 14 Sep 2012, 12:04 pm

    Typically Clapperesque statement there !

    Of course the companies that are developing new cutting edge technology in electric and plug-in hybrid cars have to get back all of the development costs that they have sunk into this technology, BUT....and this is a BIG BUT, they cannot keep hammering the consumers by holding the prices of all of these vehicles above what a truly open and free-market will stand.

    At the moment they are able to sell these cars because they are depending on the "I must have the latest technology" buffs that have more money than sense, but this market is going to very soon dry up and they are going to have to stop cartelling these prices and get real.

    Afterwards we will see many more millions of people being able to afford these clean cars and the requirement for fossil-based fuels will wane and the prices of oil and petrochemicals will fall drastically with the drop in petrochemical sales-demand that must follow.

    This time could be RIGHT NOW if the manufacturers and sellers of these vehicles would get their finger out and stop trying to profiteer on this early wave of rich environmentalistic buying.


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    Re: My letter to Toyota !

    Post by Guest on Fri 14 Sep 2012, 2:45 pm

    Which shows how much you know about business!

    Supply and demand sets the price - history has shown that whenever someone tries to artificially increase the price of something - it always ends in tears WITHOUT GOVERNEMNT INVOLVEMENT

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    Re: My letter to Toyota !

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 15 Sep 2012, 12:11 pm

    Sorry mate, but from where I am sitting there is NOTHING whatsoever "free" about the so-called free-market economy as just about all "competing" companies don't really compete at all as they continually practice price-matching and even cartelisation, ( which is illegal in Britain ), so that they do not have to truly compete with each-other.

    THAT....is real life and the reason why we need to have rules and regulations fully enforced in this RIP-OFF market-place.

    In fact, you have just highlighted why this website and many others out there have been created and which continually bring these "crooks, fools and comic-singers" to book when governments don't or won't.


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    Re: My letter to Toyota !

    Post by Guest on Sat 15 Sep 2012, 1:50 pm

    Sure there a rip-offs, but where market forces are permitted to operate, prices find their own level. My experience is that there is always someone prepared to undercut you for a few pennies.

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