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    The most elemental rip-off of life in the free world ?

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    The most elemental rip-off of life in the free world ?

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 23 Aug 2012, 1:11 pm

    "Living and dying in pain and suffering while even our pets are allowed a dignified end !"

    The recent case of "locked-in-syndrome" sufferer Tony Nicklinson has brought to the fore just how cruel we can be to each-other in the days close to the end of our lives.

    This poor man was damned by the courts and the government to keep suffering an intolerable life until recently, after he was mercifully taken by "pneumonia".

    I find it a cruel and unusual punishment to enforce a life to continue that is well beyond anything that is truly liveable just because no government in the past have been courageous enough to introduce a law which says that assisted voluntary-euthanasia should be introduced for those that truly feel that they cannot continue with a life that is no longer worth living.

    YES... of course, any such law would have to be introduced with as many safeguards as is required so that no abuses of this law could even be considered, but I see no reason why it is now time that this step SHOULD be taken.

    I worry that the religions of this country hold too much sway here and that they still influence what should be done in our supposedly secular governments.

    Maybe it is time to call for a referendum on this subject as there is no doubt that it will not be allowed to come to pass without the people having their say on this contentious subject.

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    Re: The most elemental rip-off of life in the free world ?

    Post by zathrus on Thu 23 Aug 2012, 1:26 pm

    Yes mate, wasn't it simply awful to see the look of despair on the face of that poor guy when he was interviewed recently after being denied the right to die.

    If nothing else brings this to the attention of the courts and the government they must be callous and uncaring to the ultimate degree.

    Paps, I know that you have been a voluntary euthanasia supporter for many years and I think that this idea is growing in support right across the country.

    I agree that it is now time for a referendum to be taken on this subject as the present government do not have the bottle to start anything along these lines without a mandate from us to force them to do it.


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    Re: The most elemental rip-off of life in the free world ?

    Post by Guest on Fri 24 Aug 2012, 9:26 am

    I, er (gulp) agree with you too Paps. Not sure if a referendum is the way forward though - just make it free choice surely? The pro life nutters can grit their teeth and eke out their miserable existence a little longer whilst the more enlightened of us can join the party early

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    Re: The most elemental rip-off of life in the free world ?

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 24 Aug 2012, 12:27 pm

    Yes Clapco, I do see what you are getting at, but I don't think that this or any other government are going to give us that "choice" if they are not made to by public opinion.

    Actually, I think that the expected result of any such referendum would be good enough reason for them NOT giving us that voting choice: I think that they are well-aware that the great majority of the British people would vote FOR a safe version of voluntary euthanasia to be brought in and it is that fact that will stop us getting any such vote.

    As I am sure you are aware, I feel that our religions are influencing this way of thinking and always have influenced what governments do or do not do and it is long past time that these religions were told to keep their noses out of political matters.


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    Re: The most elemental rip-off of life in the free world ?

    Post by Angie baby on Sat 25 Aug 2012, 1:05 pm

    With you there Papa.

    The only way that that "choice" that Clapco talks about will be given to us is if the law is changed to ensure that relatives and even doctors will not be prosecuted if they help people who want to die in extreme circumstances to actually "shuffle off this mortal coil" in a dignified way.

    I am sure that a great majority of people, including many religious people, might want this option to be available when the torture that any person is suffering with a terminal illness when the pain gets too bad to tolerate has to be dealt with in the best way possible.

    ( People who specialise in palliative care in hospices say that they can "manage" this pain, but I have always thought that they cannot know what any other person's pain is like if they cannot feel it themselves. Anyway, many of these places practice what is known as pain-management incremental increase that eventually kills off the patent anyway ). Do not expect them to admit to this though !

    I guess it is all about what we might consider our value of life to be as if most people agree that any such life is no longer worth living and that their basic human dignity has gone then as out life belongs to us and nobody else we should be able to make the decision to end it in the most efficient and painless way.

    As far as getting this information "off the internet" is concerned; how can we know if these methods actually do what they purport to do ?
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    Re: The most elemental rip-off of life in the free world ?

    Post by papa_umau on Sun 26 Aug 2012, 12:20 pm

    Not wanting to sound morbid here, I have already contacted a number of sites that deal with this issue and as I do not EVER want this subject - in my case - to be left to others I have already made the steps needed in order to ensure that neither my family nor my friends will be put in a dangerous position in the law as it stands at the moment if ever I want to take the course of "self-determination" that I so strongly support at the moment.

    For your information HERE is the very first site that one should visit if one wishes to go down this track.

    Best of luck to you all !


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