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    Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Guest on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 8:52 pm

    Doubting Thomases were dealy a blow today when unemployment fell to its lowest level for a year

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/9476603/UK-unemployment-falls-amid-Olympics-boost.html

    so despite headlines calling for Osbournes blood, something must be going right for then

    Lets hear it for Dave and Nick!!!!

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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:27 am

    Before we celebrate about any drop in unemployment we have to consider the quality - or not - of the jobs that are contributing to these figures.

    It is well known that a lot of the "new" jobs that are appearing are either part-time or are jobs at the very bottom of the market and at or below the minimum-wage level.

    The economy is simply not growing, ( in fact it is in a double-dip recession ), and as long as these figures are abroad these are the ones that we must pay attention to.

    If we are not growing and and if this stagnant economy is not generating quality jobs then all of that bluster is nothing but another con-job. ( "con" with a small "c" but could very well be with a large "C", for Conservative ).

    In other-words.....don't be so easily fooled by such political propaganda.


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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Guest on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:16 pm

    Could it be that the numbers show the economy is not in as bad a shape as propagandists would have us believe?

    Even a low paid job is better than the dole.

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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 17 Aug 2012, 12:45 pm

    Clapco, my friend, ( not wishing to sound patronising ), the main engine for a successful economy is the buying-power of the consumer and so long as this buying-power is restricted via poor or non-existent wages the British economy is going to continue to bump along at the bottom.

    Osborne knows this but he is desperately trying to not have to go for "plan B" as if he does he will admit to all that he got it wrong in the first place. Even good ole Sir Mervyn Allister King, the Governor of the B.O.E. has tried to encourage Osborne to change direction, but he stubbornly refuses to do so.

    There is bound to come a time when "quantative easing", ( or the printing of more money ), is not going to have any effect on this stalled economy and both Osborne and Sir Mervyn King, already know this.

    What the country needs RIGHT NOW, is more good and full-time jobs that are paid good money so that the people that get these jobs can spend that money and re-float this sinking ship.


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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Guest on Fri 17 Aug 2012, 8:18 pm

    I agree we need more jobs but there are many factors that determine the levels including international competitiveness. Until we are isolated from market forces even a low paid job is better than no job. As to expenditure - some tax cuts would do the trick instead all we are getting is tax rises thanks to your mate Gordon's mismanagement of the economy

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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Angie baby on Sat 18 Aug 2012, 1:00 pm

    Stop harping back to the last mob Clapco as this mob have had plenty of time to try to fix what was wrong and they are failing miserably.

    I say give a person a decent job at a decent rate of pay and you will find a happy worker who enjoys spending his or her money.

    If there is no decent job paying decent money then we are going to find a disgruntled worker who cannot afford to spend the little money he or she has.

    The latter scenario, which is prevalent at the moment, is the main reason why the economy is tanking and the only jobs that are available are ones supplied at minimum wage in the likes of MacDonalds.

    That is no recipe for happiness or contentment !

    Been there, done that, and I am still wearing that "t" shirt.
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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Hell's Granny on Wed 22 Aug 2012, 7:13 pm

    As far as I can see, the reduction is due to the 'Olympic' effect, and will soon reverse itself.

    Bit too early for congratulating anyone, in my opinion.

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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 23 Aug 2012, 12:41 pm

    No, the "better-a-poorly-paid-job-than-no-job" mantra is an idea that most right-wingers regularly employ. ( no pun intended ). This idea is foolish in the extreme as the poorer the wages become for those that are still working the more slowly the economy runs as it is the money that is spent in our economy that keeps it oiled and running smoothly.

    Osborne is right up to his ears in this particular problem at the moment and he has no clue how to get out of it.



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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Hell's Granny on Wed 05 Sep 2012, 5:55 pm

    Whilst thinking of Osborne, I liked the greeting he got from 80,000 folk in the Stadium when he was announced as giving out the medals for the Paralypics the other day. He kept smiling, but looked a little sick! Very Happy

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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 06 Sep 2012, 1:18 pm

    Yes HG and now, precisely for that reason, no more government ministers are going to hand out paralympic medals in future.

    They simply cannot stand the booing that they get every-time that they show their faces.

    That, to me, says a lot. Don't you all agree ?


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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Hell's Granny on Thu 06 Sep 2012, 1:19 pm

    Definitely. They can't stand to know how people really think of them!

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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by zathrus on Fri 07 Sep 2012, 12:38 pm

    That does not bode well for them at the next election and they still have two years to go yet ! Evil or Very Mad

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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Guest on Fri 07 Sep 2012, 1:12 pm

    I met a paralympic medallist in a wheelchair last night. He had two black eyes and a broken nose.
    'Boxing?' I asked
    'No' he said 'Hurdles'

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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 08 Sep 2012, 11:32 am

    Yes, Clapco it is always a common thing to see when a serious subject is diminished by making a joke about it after a person starts to lose the argument.

    AND.....

    There is little funny about being disabled or about what these magnificent people have to do to compete in the Paralympics.



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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Hell's Granny on Mon 17 Sep 2012, 3:28 pm

    Clapco, I find that joke offensive.

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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:14 pm

    So do I......Watch it mate !


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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Parliament.... on Thu 27 Sep 2012, 12:32 pm

    Hell's Granny wrote:Clapco, I find that joke offensive.

    HG

    Clapco would have the nation working for 1 an hour, because in his view, any job is better than the dole.




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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Guest on Thu 04 Oct 2012, 1:24 pm

    Best quote from the Labour Party Conference was from Tessa Jowell:

    "At a Labour party conference fringe meeting this week held by the Institute for Government think tank, Dame Tessa Jowell, who played a major part in London 2012, said one reason for the success of the Games was that politicians from different parties and officials from different government departments had all co-operated. She had been approached by dozens of ordinary people asking why the same thing couldnt happen in other areas."

    Thank heavens for the coalition!

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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 05 Oct 2012, 1:52 pm

    That does not make any allowances for the fact that different people think in different ways and at times these differences are just too far apart for working alliances to be formed that do what needs to be done.

    This cobbled-together coalition is just too far apart in political philosophy for it to work in any decent and/or effective way.

    Of course there has to be allowances made when different people think in different ways but too many compromises can lead to very little of any quality being done.

    That is what is happening with this coalition as it stumbles along from disaster to disaster.


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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Guest on Fri 05 Oct 2012, 2:50 pm

    Disaster to disaster? This is no different from the previous Labour government - you forget the election that never was, the 10% tax rate U-turn.......

    Indeed I would say they are listening to the people rather more than Bruin ever did - hence the changes of heart.

    Much better three years more coalition!

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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 06 Oct 2012, 11:24 am

    I guess that "you pays your money and you takes your choice" - as they say.

    I am sure that once you have had enough from this abortive coalition, you too will eventually go baying for their blood.

    I still have to ask: At what point will you decide that you have had enough ?


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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Parliament.... on Sat 06 Oct 2012, 11:30 am

    papa_umau wrote:I guess that "you pays your money and you takes your choice" - as they say.

    I am sure that once you have had enough from this abortive coalition, you too will eventually go baying for their blood.

    I still have to ask: At what point will you decide that you have had enough ?

    Papa, Can't you see that Clapco is acting like a small child, he is deliberately trying to wind you up to see how far he can push you, I'm of the opinion that he would'nt give a damn if you blocked him from posting.

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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 06 Oct 2012, 11:39 am

    Please do not let Clapco's machinations get in between us and our good relationship.

    I know what this guy is all about and while I do not let him get me angry - unlike you - I am, I think, quite capable of looking after my own arguments without using that ultimate stroke that you allude to.

    Maybe one day, when I think he has eventually gone too far, I WILL cut him out of this site, but until that day comes I will not give up on him as I think he is intelligent enough for me to maybe get through to with a bit of effort.

    I do not give up on people until I feel that they are totally beyond help.

    I have not reached that point with Clapco......YET


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    Re: Three cheers for the coalition

    Post by Parliament.... on Sat 06 Oct 2012, 11:59 am

    papa_umau wrote:Please do not let Clapco's machinations get in between us and our good relationship.

    I know what this guy is all about and while I do not let him get me angry - unlike you - I am, I think, quite capable of looking after my own arguments without using that ultimate stroke that you allude to.

    Maybe one day, when I think he has eventually gone too far, I WILL cut him out of this site, but until that day comes I will not give up on him as I think he is intelligent enough for me to maybe get through to with a bit of effort.

    I do not give up on people until I feel that they are totally beyond help.

    I have not reached that point with Clapco......YET

    No offence intended Papa, just watching your back as the saying goes.

    Anyway, point taken, my old mate.


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