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    Re: More employment

    Post by Parliament.... on Mon 11 Jun 2012, 4:09 pm

    Hell's Granny wrote:What bugs me is that the unemployment figures bear no relation to the real problem, especially as most of the jobs on offer are part-time, Minimum Waged and impossible to live on!

    Britain has no worthwhile industry left, all the privatisation has ensured that foreign companies have bought out our Industries and closed them down, resulting in Britain becoming a Third World Nation in all but name,
    With all colurs of Government sitting in the Palace of Westminster, in the cloud-cuckoo land of fading Imperial glory.

    GRRRRRRRRR!

    H/G, You are bang on, statistics are worthless. Britain needs the return of an industry and manfacturing base, with a decent minimum wage, and council housing for people who cannot afford to buy.

    That's it in a nutshell.


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    Re: More employment

    Post by Guest on Mon 11 Jun 2012, 4:12 pm

    So how do you manufacture things competitively against an international low cost competitor such as China?

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    Re: More employment

    Post by Parliament.... on Mon 11 Jun 2012, 4:37 pm

    Clapco wrote:So how do you manufacture things competitively against an international low cost competitor such as China?

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    Clapco,

    For the record, I wrote on this site a while ago that I would never respond to your postings again. And I meant it.


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    Re: More employment

    Post by jim on Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:23 pm

    That's because Clapco always beats you in the argument ! Very Happy
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    Re: More employment

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 12 Jun 2012, 12:29 pm

    Clapco wrote:So how do you manufacture things competitively against an international low cost competitor such as China?

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    There is no "quick fix" for this phenomenon as so long as we in the expensive West are running with high costs of living we are going to have to ensure that the wages paid are at a level that ensures that true poverty does not become endemic in these countries.

    What has happened in the past that tried to solve this problem is where we had specialised in producing the high-end and the hi-tec goods that the tiger economies did not produce as they did not have the knowledge. Sadly, it did not take them long to get that knowledge and now we find that they are successfully competing with us in those areas of trade too.

    So long as we consume their cheap goods via importation and we do not maintain a narrow trade-gap where we export back to them and to other countries close to us with similar high production costs, we will always struggle to hold our own in that trading war.

    The expert economists have discussed this exact problem at length and even they do not have an answer to this phenomenon.

    Maybe we are just going to have to wait until the peoples in these countries become emancipated enough that they are able to force their employers to pay them wages that allows them to buy the goods that they make for us and by this bring their standards of living and their connected costs of living up to the level of our own.

    This is already starting to happen in India, but it may take much longer for it to be allowed to happen in Communist China. ( One interesting point about these paradoxes in China is where the people at the top are now becoming hardened Capitalists so that they can compete on the world stage. This is eventually going to cause the collapse of Chinese Communism as these two ethics cannot survive side-by-side ). ( This situation has already brought the Communistic framework in the Eastern Bloc down with a crash as Capitalism destroyed Communism in these states).


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    Re: More employment

    Post by Guest on Tue 12 Jun 2012, 1:04 pm

    So meanwhile we continue paying people not to work?

    Gimme a break - the country is going bust because of opinions like yours. We are paying ourselves too much and have run out of money to carry on doing so

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    Re: More employment

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 12 Jun 2012, 1:15 pm

    Clapco, sometimes you infuriate me with your stubborn and dogmatic views.

    What are you calling for here ?

    Are you calling for the people at the bottom, ( usually the ones who suffer first and the most ), to be thrown onto the scrap-heap and/or to die of starvation just so that the companies in this country can keep on making profits which they can then hide from the taxman in offshore havens ?

    I am really glad that you are not one of the people who are running this country as if you were you would have a popular and bloody revolution on your hands PDQ, with that attitude.

    When austerity packages are called for, ( even if they work, which they seldom do ), then this austerity HAS TO apply to everybody in this country and not the just the weak ones at the bottom end.


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    Re: More employment

    Post by Guest on Tue 12 Jun 2012, 6:39 pm

    I am 'calling for' the unemployed.

    The trouble with each and every Socialist policy ever is that it fosters the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude that you so clearly demonstrate. Short of increasing unemployment benefit rates (why do they get less than pensioners for example?) there is NOTHING that they do to create wealth. Wealth creates employment. Austerity is purely a correction when we spend more than we earn.

    Wake up and smell the coffee!

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    Re: More employment

    Post by papa_umau on Wed 13 Jun 2012, 10:16 am

    You obviously do not understand the true values of Socialism and like any other cliche-ridden rightist you only spout - sheeplike - what others say.

    It is an undeniable fact - no matter how you try to deny it - that true centre-left governments will always give the man/woman in the street a fairer crack of the whip than any Tory or Toryesque party of government - like New-Labour was - has done in the past.

    To bring back the fairness in government, ( which just about everybody under the level of the average company CEO and the spoon in the mouth brigade want ), is a government that serves for ALL of the people in Britain and not just the ones at the top

    This is a basic flaw in Toryism that more and more people in this country are now wakening up to and if you want to just bump along spouting the same rightist junk then so-be-it as you will be buried with the rest of the greedy and selfish mob out there when the time comes.


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    Re: More employment

    Post by Guest on Wed 13 Jun 2012, 11:09 am

    That is your opinion but not the reality of a democracy where 'the people' vote for whoever they feel best represents their views.

    The thread is about unemployment and you have yet to answer my challenge - that the left know nothing about wealth creation, only its redistribution. Where does that leave the unemployed?

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    Re: More employment

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 14 Jun 2012, 11:20 am

    Yes, as far as slogans go that is a good one, but relying on sloganising does not tell the real truth.

    I do not have to ask every person in Britain to know that most of them want to be dealt with fairly by government and the ones that are persuaded that the next government's promises are what they want will ensure that they are elected.

    Cameron and his Tories only scraped in last time round and as they did not have a working majority they had to go cap-in-hand to the Liberal Democrats so that they would be able to form a working government.

    With the awful mistakes they are making these days both of these dogmas will be deep-sixed at the next election and if you are one of the ones that like to jump ship and cling on to the winners you are going to have to make your mind up soon about which of the dogmas you want to support.


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    Re: More employment

    Post by Guest on Thu 14 Jun 2012, 2:00 pm

    But what has this got to do with unemployment?

    Stop changing the subject and give me some wealth creating policies for them!

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    Re: More employment

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 15 Jun 2012, 9:56 am

    AGAIN... you miss the point:

    So long as there is a "Toryesque" government bolstered by an out-of-touch and misled Liberal Democrat party enforcing the "austerity measures" that Cameron and Osborne use as the panacea for all ills more and more workers are going to be thrown onto the scrapheap and Britain's economy is going to keep on tanking.

    I do not see it as my job to try to tell any such administration how to behave as far as creating jobs is concerned as it is obvious that they are not going to listen to world economists never mind MY opinion.

    Osborne, in particular, is terrified of having to make the ultimate back-track of Tory policies by introducing a "plan B" as he is already looking foolish by the number of U-turns in policy that he has already made. He cares more about his reputation than he does about creating good jobs for the two-million-plus - and counting - people unemployed on the streets of this country.


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    Re: More employment

    Post by Guest on Fri 15 Jun 2012, 10:48 am

    You really are out of touch on this one Paps

    Austerity measures have failed to reduce the psbr so they are purely fictional

    And you wont answer because you don't have an answer - lefties never do. They are good at spending everyone elses money but terrible at generating it.

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    Re: More employment

    Post by Parliament.... on Fri 15 Jun 2012, 11:17 am

    papa_umau wrote:AGAIN... you miss the point:

    So long as there is a "Toryesque" government bolstered by an out-of-touch and misled Liberal Democrat party enforcing the "austerity measures" that Cameron and Osborne use as the panacea for all ills more and more workers are going to be thrown onto the scrapheap and Britain's economy is going to keep on tanking.

    I do not see it as my job to try to tell any such administration how to behave as far as creating jobs is concerned as it is obvious that they are not going to listen to world economists never mind MY opinion.

    Osborne, in particular, is terrified of having to make the ultimate back-track of Tory policies by introducing a "plan B" as he is already looking foolish by the number of U-turns in policy that he has already made. He cares more about his reputation than he does about creating good jobs for the two-million-plus - and counting - people unemployed on the streets of this country.

    Pap, The creation of over 3 million unemployed was right wing Tory arrogance via the Thatcher/Major years, and it was deemed a price worth paying by the then Tory MP, Norman Lamont.

    It is precisely the same thing now under Cameron , and frankly unless Clegg's a complete idiot, he should have realised all this with the Tories before he aligned with them to push through some Lib-Dem policies even though the Lib-Dems never had enough seats in general to win a general election.

    Between now and 2015, unemployment in this country in my opinion is going to peak 6 maybe 7 million statistically, and I hope the media grab it all by the short and curlies.

    The right of the Tory party in Government are all about private interests and low income tax, unfortunetely the Tory supporters out there can only ever see one thing, the size of their wallets and to hell with everybody else.

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    Post by Guest on Fri 15 Jun 2012, 11:56 am

    Perhaps you could explain how it benefits the Tories to have people unemployed instead of repeating left wing clap trap?

    The answer is...it doesn't. It benefits the left which is why it gets said. Then they do nothing about it because they have no policies for job creation - 13 years of Labour misrule left the country with the same number of unemployed as when they began and a trillion overdraft. Well done Gordon!

    Try thinking for yourself instead of just repeating others 'thought' unquestioningly!

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    Re: More employment

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 16 Jun 2012, 1:06 pm

    It is a fact that Tory governments of the past have used unemployment as a tool to try to reduce inflation and the term "A price worth paying"

    It was Norman Lamont - the then Tory Chancellor of the Exchequer - that was said to say: "Rising unemployment and the recession have been the price that we have had to pay to get inflation down. That price is well worth paying".

    Now even Chancellor Osborne is still spouting the same dogma that Lamont spouted all those years ago. Find the quote HERE.


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    Re: More employment

    Post by Parliament.... on Sat 16 Jun 2012, 1:59 pm

    papa_umau wrote:It is a fact that Tory governments of the past have used unemployment as a tool to try to reduce inflation and the term "A price worth paying"

    It was Norman Lamont - the then Tory Chancellor of the Exchequer - that was said to say: "Rising unemployment and the recession have been the price that we have had to pay to get inflation down. That price is well worth paying".

    Now even Chancellor Osborne is still spouting the same dogma that Lamont spouted all those years ago. Find the quote HERE.

    Pap. I've been to the article. It's bang on.

    There can be no argument for anybody with an ounce of political education.

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    Post by Guest on Sat 16 Jun 2012, 2:24 pm

    Cheers Ivanhoe - nice to see a bit of independent opinion on the subject.

    The thing is what Paps and his commie mates mix up is cause and effect. Simply increasing unemployment does no good whatsoever and the Tories would be the first to agree. If it increases as a result of some other policy then it is unfortunate but as Allianz Insurance would like to say "$hit happenz" - it doesn't give Paps the right to mislead or misquote Lamont to us simply to gain political advantage - we can think for ourselves.

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    Re: More employment

    Post by Parliament.... on Sat 16 Jun 2012, 2:43 pm

    Clapco wrote:Cheers Ivanhoe - nice to see a bit of independent opinion on the subject.

    The thing is what Paps and his commie mates mix up is cause and effect. Simply increasing unemployment does no good whatsoever and the Tories would be the first to agree. If it increases as a result of some other policy then it is unfortunate but as Allianz Insurance would like to say "$hit happenz" - it doesn't give Paps the right to mislead or misquote Lamont to us simply to gain political advantage - we can think for ourselves.

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    Clapco, I'm not doing you any favours, read my posting again, Pap is right, as I am, and you are wrong as always.

    The click on article is in the Guardian, and it's spot on.

    You Clapco, are'nt spot on, and you never were.

    Incidently, Pap is not a Communist, he is a Socialist, there is a vital difference between the two, and only a politically ignorant person like yourself, would confuse the two.

    You Clapco are a "nothingest", with nothing to say about anything worthwhile.

    I have responded to your stupid diatribe because I was most definately not coming to your defence against Pap. And I wont tolerate you saying as such.




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    Re: More employment

    Post by Guest on Sat 16 Jun 2012, 4:07 pm

    I read the whole thread before replying and the only link I could find was the original Torygraph one I posted. An easy misunderstanding I think - don't you?

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    Re: More employment

    Post by Parliament.... on Sat 16 Jun 2012, 4:18 pm

    Clapco wrote:I read the whole thread before replying and the only link I could find was the original Torygraph one I posted. An easy misunderstanding I think - don't you?

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    The Guardian.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/25/george-osborne-unemployment-norman-lamont


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    Post by Guest on Sat 16 Jun 2012, 4:24 pm

    Which post was it in? They are numbered top right.

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    Post by Parliament.... on Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:08 pm

    Clapco wrote:Which post was it in? They are numbered top right.

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    Go to the link, and read from here, down.


    For George Osborne, unemployment is a price worth paying

    The adoption of Norman Lamont economics has seen jobless rates soar. Labour should expose the Tory deficit fetishists
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    Re: More employment

    Post by Guest on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 7:49 am

    The correct answer was 42

    Sorry but this guy is just a Pakistani version of Paps - fancies himself as the next PM but rapidly running out of talent.

    He sticks to the tired old belief that you can borrow your way out of trouble. As Bruin found out - it doesn't work unless you want to join Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Spain......I do agree mass unemployment is a major problem though. Still no ideas how to create wealth though.

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    PS There is an interesting toy on Google that shows unemployment trends in Europe

    http://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=z8o7pt6rd5uqa6_&met_y=unemployment_rate&idim=country:uk&fdim_y=seasonality:sa&dl=en&hl=en&q=uk+unemployment+trends#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=unemployment_rate&fdim_y=seasonality:sa&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country_group&idim=country:uk&ifdim=country_group&tstart=411609600000&tend=1329436800000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false

    Using it I see that the 'unemployment inducing' tories went from 11% to 7% in their last 3 governments whereas 'job friendly' labour went from 7% to 7.8% in their 3 terms. You will conclude what you want but it seems obvious to me VOTE CONSERVATIVE if you are unemployed!


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