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    """""Why are British youth so politically apathetic compared to European youth?”

    Post by Parliament.... on Tue 31 Jan 2012, 5:17 pm

    Hi, I just wrote the below heading into my server, and the following came up on a debating site. I would be interested in knowing what people had to say.

    “”Why are British youth so politically apathetic compared to European youth?”

    I find British youth incredibly apathetic about politics compared to youth in many European countries. Many British people under 25 would struggle to recall the names of the two politicians who make up the coalition government, let alone go into any sustained debate about policy.

    On the other hand, European youth, most prominently in countries such as France, Italy and Greece seem to be very politically involved, to both the right and left of the spectrum. It seems in many European countries politics is commonly discussed and debated amongst youth and as a result they often hold stronger opinions on policy.

    The only theory I have is that in many European countries politics tends to be far more polarised and radical than in Britain. In the UK, both the far right and far left are fairly weak, while in France and Italy, both the far right and far left are pretty sizable political forces.

    Also, I do sometimes wonder if British people are discouraged from holding strong opinions, and being perceived as a radical in the UK makes you be perceived as a weirdo. While in Europe, being opinionated is perceived as a positive thing.



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    Re: """""Why are British youth so politically apathetic compared to European youth?”

    Post by papa_umau on Wed 01 Feb 2012, 11:20 am

    Firstly, and taking my usual tack, I do not agree that ALL of the British youth are "politically apathetic" as that broad brush is simply untrue.

    I think that the kind of interest the British youth of today has in politics is tightly connected to their level of education, their level of intelligence, and most importantly the sub-society that they spring from.

    I am sure that if you went to the steps of any university or well-performing state or private schools you will get a much better view of the young people coming out than you have at the moment. In other words, it all depends on who you ask if you want to get answers to any such political questions.

    I think that you think like that because a large number of the European youth are more easily demonstrative than the British youth are and that could simply be based on their general view of life.

    The British youth, ( or at least some of them ), can be demonstrative too but in their case it always seems to be the ones who get angry or the anarchists that take to the streets. In that case - as was seen during the riots of a few months ago - the youngsters that wanted to protest peacefully, ( usually students ), were hi-jacked by the destructive anarchists. Maybe that is why few of the rest of them want to risk taking to the streets ?


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    Re: """""Why are British youth so politically apathetic compared to European youth?”

    Post by zathrus on Thu 02 Feb 2012, 1:22 pm

    Here's a thing:

    Who was it that tried to change the regime in China ?

    It was the Chinese university students, and look what happened to them in Tiananmen Square.

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    Re: """""Why are British youth so politically apathetic compared to European youth?”

    Post by Guest on Sun 12 Feb 2012, 6:06 pm

    British youth has been so dumbed down in school and fed on a diet of reality TV and game shows that they no longer have the brains to make sense of it all.

    IMHO the European youth are far more intelligent

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    Post by Parliament.... on Sun 12 Feb 2012, 6:39 pm

    Clapco wrote:British youth has been so dumbed down in school and fed on a diet of reality TV and game shows that they no longer have the brains to make sense of it all.

    IMHO the European youth are far more intelligent

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    Western European State schools are adequately funded because the EU populas pay much higher rates of income tax.
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    Re: """""Why are British youth so politically apathetic compared to European youth?”

    Post by papa_umau on Mon 13 Feb 2012, 12:42 pm

    Clapco said:

    IMHO the European youth are far more intelligent

    And I don't think there is any proof that that is so Clapco, as the same amount of general intelligence is spread around all of the youth of the world.

    I do think that education, or the lack of it at some levels - as Ivanhoe rightly said - is what forms the minds of the poorer ones in our society and it is that feeling of desperation that makes some young-people take to the streets and join the anarchists.

    Personally, I don't blame them as they feel that by using these kinds of action the dispossessed at least bring their plight to the masses.


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    Re: """""Why are British youth so politically apathetic compared to European youth?”

    Post by Parliament.... on Mon 13 Feb 2012, 12:55 pm

    papa_umau wrote:Clapco said:

    IMHO the European youth are far more intelligent

    And I don't think there is any proof that that is so Clapco, as the same amount of general intelligence is spread around all of the youth of the world.

    I do think that education, or the lack of it at some levels - as Ivanhoe rightly said - is what forms the minds of the poorer ones in our society and it is that feeling of desperation that makes some young-people take to the streets and join the anarchists.

    Personally, I don't blame them as they feel that by using these kinds of action the dispossessed at least bring their plight to the masses.

    I believe Clapco is correct. Britain's youth have been suffering from vastly underfunded State education since the 80's, because we British have kept voting for low income tax small state right wing Government's.

    Wheras, and if my information is correct, Western European countries have no private education, just a well funded State education system, with politics being taught in schools.

    Part of the reason for this difference between the EU and Britain is that the EU are'nt class entrenched, Britain is, no pun intended re-schools and the word "class".


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    Post by Guest on Tue 14 Feb 2012, 11:49 am

    I am honoured Ivanhoe!

    I only quote from experience though, I have no figures on state funding of schools. I suspect you are looking for facts to fit your politics however as IMHO the curriculum is the issue not the funding - Grammar schools provided a far superior education for those that wanted it for pretty much the same costs as the current one size (doesn't) fit all policy. You also repeat the oft claimed mistake that private schools are the scapegoat - private education is alive and well in Europe though often not necessary, and if all our private schools were to close the state system would have to teach extra pupils without extra funding as their parents have all paid their taxes.

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    Re: """""Why are British youth so politically apathetic compared to European youth?”

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 14 Feb 2012, 12:10 pm

    I for one am not against private schools or even private health-care so long as the poorer taxpayers - that get no advantage from these institutions - are not forced to subsidise them.

    They ARE forced to subsidise many private institutions in Britain as - for some reason - this is allowed by government.

    The private schools are subsidised via being listed as "CHARITIES" just because they provide bursaries for a very few ordinary folk that cannot afford their fees.

    The NHS is part of the infrastructure that keeps the private health-care hospitals and surgeries making profits by allowing its consultants, ordinary doctors and managers to moonlight in this private sector.

    The rail-services provided by the private TOCs in Britain are also government subsidised so that they can still make profits off the less profitable routes and yet they allow these greedy companies to keep banging the fares up as they seem to think fit while the services are crap, the connections are crap, the seating and the heating is crap and the trains are not even cleaned properly.

    I could go on and on about how the private sector hammers the public sector here in Britain but I think I have said enough for the moment.



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    Re: """""Why are British youth so politically apathetic compared to European youth?”

    Post by Parliament.... on Tue 28 Feb 2012, 1:17 pm

    Clapco wrote:I am honoured Ivanhoe!

    I only quote from experience though, I have no figures on state funding of schools. I suspect you are looking for facts to fit your politics however as IMHO the curriculum is the issue not the funding - Grammar schools provided a far superior education for those that wanted it for pretty much the same costs as the current one size (doesn't) fit all policy. You also repeat the oft claimed mistake that private schools are the scapegoat - private education is alive and well in Europe though often not necessary, and if all our private schools were to close the state system would have to teach extra pupils without extra funding as their parents have all paid their taxes.

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    Clapco, State funding of all our essential services, including eduucation, was cut by the Thatcher government in the 80's, because the right of the Tory party in Government do not believe in the "role of the State", because the right of the Tory party in general, do not want an educated working class.

    Clapco, also please go to this link and read about private education in Europe.

    http://etwus.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/private-higher-education-in-europe/

    Just around a year ago, I lost a good friend to cancer. He ran a local language school and was into aviation, he was very very well off. My friend was a well educated Socialist, having had parents who gave him both a private and State education.

    He travelled both Europe and America wildley, and we met in 1992 when he was an activist for the Liberal Democrats. He told me at that time that Europe had well funded State education systems, but little, or nothing at all of private education.

    I hope you find the article of 2011, enlightening.


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