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    A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

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    A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by papa_umau on Wed 21 Sep 2011, 11:07 am

    You heard it here first
    Here is a video from an email I got from the Labour party that shows early views of a video of Ed Milband's proposed speeech to the Labour conference.



    Does anybody wish to comment on it ?

    Go on.... speak your mind so long as the comment is not abusive


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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by Parliament.... on Wed 21 Sep 2011, 1:06 pm

    papa_umau wrote:
    You heard it here first
    Here is a video from an email I got from the Labour party that shows early views of a video of Ed Milband's proposed speeech to the Labour conference.



    Does anybody wish to comment on it ?

    Go on.... speak your mind so long as the comment is not abusive

    We heard the same retorich from Tony Blair. The speech was empty and hollow.
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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 22 Sep 2011, 12:20 pm

    Yes Ivanhoe, these are the things that politicians do !

    Having said that I think that Ed Miliband knows that the fact that he has still to set out his political stall means that he is being forced to say stuff that he thinks his supporters want and need him to say.

    I honestly believe that he has now started to say what the people have been waiting for. The first act along these lines was played out when he criticised the unions - to their faces - for striking while talks were not exhausted. This in fact said that even although we all know it was the unions that made him the leader of the Labour party - as opposed to picking his older and Blairite brother - he was making clear that he is not owned or controlled by the unions.

    Now he has started to say that he is going to look after the weak and the poor and the old instead of the rich and powerful ones with the "vested interests" - especially the banks and the energy companies - and once he has said such things he is going to have to back up these ideas with actions.

    With the Labour conference season about to start Ed Miliband knows that he has no time left with which to say what he stands for and what he is going to do as leader of the party.

    I look forward to his full speech at the conference as one thing he is not - is anything like Tony Blair.


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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by Parliament.... on Thu 22 Sep 2011, 12:36 pm

    papa_umau wrote:Yes Ivanhoe, these are the things that politicians do !

    Having said that I think that Ed Miliband knows that the fact that he has still to set out his political stall means that he is being forced to say stuff that he thinks his supporters want and need him to say.

    I honestly believe that he has now started to say what the people have been waiting for. The first act along these lines was played out when he criticised the unions - to their faces - for striking while talks were not exhausted. This in fact said that even although we all know it was the unions that made him the leader of the Labour party - as opposed to picking his older and Blairite brother - he was making clear that he is not owned or controlled by the unions.

    Now he has started to say that he is going to look after the weak and the poor and the old instead of the rich and powerful ones with the "vested interests" - especially the banks and the energy companies - and once he has said such things he is going to have to back up these ideas with actions.

    With the Labour conference season about to start Ed Miliband knows that he has no time left with which to say what he stands for and what he is going to do as leader of the party.

    I look forward to his full speech at the conference as one thing he is not - is anything like Tony Blair.

    I will cross my fingers on this one Pap, I just hope that you are right.
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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 23 Sep 2011, 12:36 pm

    So do I Ivanhoe !

    I think that as this young party leader and possible next Prime Minister is a bit green around the gills and because of this he needs support from us rather than criticism. I say give him a chance to prove his worth as if he does not do this well enough we all know that his political life could be foreshortened if he does not please the Labour old guard and set out his vision for the reformation of what Labour had become under Blair and Brown.


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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by Parliament.... on Fri 23 Sep 2011, 12:49 pm

    papa_umau wrote:So do I Ivanhoe !

    I think that as this young party leader and possible next Prime Minister is a bit green around the gills and because of this he needs support from us rather than criticism. I say give him a chance to prove his worth as if he does not do this well enough we all know that his political life could be foreshortened if he does not please the Labour old guard and set out his vision for the reformation of what Labour had become under Blair and Brown.

    Well then the sooner Ed Milliband starts standing his ground on policy making, the better for all of us methinks.
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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 23 Sep 2011, 12:59 pm

    I think that I and many more Labour activists will be supporting that premise as the Labour Party go into their conference next week.

    I am sure that nobody knows any more than Ed Miliband does that this is now the time to make himself and his plans clear to the faithful on the floor of the conference hall and to the people who will be watching his performance on the telly each night on the news.

    I would not like to be in his shoes in the coming week !


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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by Parliament.... on Fri 23 Sep 2011, 1:13 pm

    papa_umau wrote:I think that I and many more Labour activists will be supporting that premise as the Labour Party go into their conference next week.

    I am sure that nobody knows any more than Ed Miliband does that this is now the time to make himself and his plans clear to the faithful on the floor of the conference hall and to the people who will be watching his performance on the telly each night on the news.

    I would not like to be in his shoes in the coming week !

    The thing is Pap, in my view, Milliband should start talking traditional Labour's core values, and let the media make of them, what they will.
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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 24 Sep 2011, 12:07 pm

    I think that he WILL do this but he will do it in such a way as not to "frighten the horses" with too much "old-Labour" rhetoric.

    He is in an unenviable position where he has to try to draw the Blairites to his side, ( there are still plenty of them out there ), so that they come to his vision of the new New-Labour without alienating the "core" Labour supporters that Blair never managed to draw to him.

    The "middle" road, that just about everybody and his dog ( including the Tories BTW ), are trying to follow, is also the road that Ed Miliband will need to take if he is to generate enough supporters from both camps to take Labour into the political future that is waiting for this truly "people's" movement.

    This is going to be a very clever balancing act if he can pull it off and I - at the moment - think he can. If he is found wanting in this task his brother David is quietly waiting in the wings to step into his shoes and bring back Blairism with a bang.

    Many of us inside and outside of the Labour party DO NOT want to see this happening ever again so the best deal for us is to support Ed Miliband and make him what his father wanted him to be; a middle-of-the-road Socialist for the mass of the British people.


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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by Guest on Sun 25 Sep 2011, 4:34 am

    The British public are not interested in extremist politics. Millipede can follow the Bliar path and one day may become prime minister or he can take the advice from this forum and disappear into oblivion.

    Simple choice really

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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by papa_umau on Sun 25 Sep 2011, 1:00 pm

    Sorry Clapco, but that is just conjecture at the moment !

    Let's just see and hear what the man has to offer before writing him off unilaterally.


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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by Guest on Sun 25 Sep 2011, 1:02 pm

    Wasn't writing him off merely outlining his options

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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by papa_umau on Sun 25 Sep 2011, 1:30 pm

    I am sure that Ed Miliband already knows what his "options" are and reading this forum will not give him any more or better ideas about what he has to do in the future.

    I am sure that he knows - unlike his brother David - that more Blairism is NOT the way forward and that he needs to find a way to gather the faithful from the left and the right in the party and the electorate so that he can take Britain forward with much less dogma leading him.

    ( Strangely Blair DID manage to do this before his first landslide victory but afterwards he wasted this mandate by lurching far too far to the right in trying to please too many people ).

    AGAIN... we are going to have to wait to see how he, young Miliband, achieves this.


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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

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    papa_umau wrote:I am sure that Ed Miliband already knows what his "options" are and reading this forum will not give him any more or better ideas about what he has to do in the future.

    I am sure that he knows - unlike his brother David - that more Blairism is NOT the way forward and that he needs to find a way to gather the faithful from the left and the right in the party and the electorate so that he can take Britain forward with much less dogma leading him.

    ( Strangely Blair DID manage to do this before his first landslide victory but afterwards he wasted this mandate by lurching far too far to the right in trying to please too many people ).

    AGAIN... we are going to have to wait to see how he, young Miliband, achieves this.

    Pap, we are a low income tax enterprise culture. This has to be changed in favour of the European Social model where State intervention matters.
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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by papa_umau on Mon 26 Sep 2011, 12:20 pm

    Yes, that is true, but that is only one tiny - if important - change that needs to be introduced. I hope that our "Ed" has both the bottle AND the intelligence to do what needs to be done to fix this broken society.

    He is already making the right mutterings but he really needs to consolidate these words with acts so that the British people will know that his way forward is the right one.

    I think that we will see this at this weeks Labour Party conference as many thousands of people in and out of the Labour Party are looking for this kind of leadership.

    Over to you Ed..........


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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by Parliament.... on Tue 27 Sep 2011, 11:47 am

    papa_umau wrote:Yes, that is true, but that is only one tiny - if important - change that needs to be introduced. I hope that our "Ed" has both the bottle AND the intelligence to do what needs to be done to fix this broken society.

    He is already making the right mutterings but he really needs to consolidate these words with acts so that the British people will know that his way forward is the right one.

    I think that we will see this at this weeks Labour Party conference as many thousands of people in and out of the Labour Party are looking for this kind of leadership.

    Over to you Ed..........

    I will reserve a response to your posting Pap, until I have heard Ed Milliband's speech.

    P.S, On Sunday I listened to Ed Milliband talking to ( good old politically correct, comfy chair huuging, wife works for the Guardian, establishment pundit, Andrew Marr interview Ed Milliband, who said that we would never adopt the EU, yet that we had to forge greater ties with Europe, that we had to come away from the 80s and the fast buck short term approach ( not mentioning Thatcher you notice ). So there is hope for him and us, 4 years down the road.

    Boy do I miss Tony Benn's approach of getting to the crux of the 80's and 90's free market, where unemployment was a price worth paying ( courtesy of Tory Norman Lamont.
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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by papa_umau on Tue 27 Sep 2011, 12:38 pm

    Yes Ivanhoe, we will see what Ed Miliband plans to do for the party and the country at his keynote speech today - Tuesday.

    I am expecting a lot from him after what Ed Balls said yesterday.

    Let's hope that this is the start of a new resurgence of trust between the mass of the people of Britain and the latest version of The Labour Party.

    The status-quo is just too horrible to contemplate !


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    Re: A video introduction to Ed Miliband's keynote speech.

    Post by Parliament.... on Tue 27 Sep 2011, 12:43 pm

    papa_umau wrote:Yes Ivanhoe, we will see what Ed Miliband plans to do for the party and the country at his keynote speech today - Tuesday.

    I am expecting a lot from him after what Ed Balls said yesterday.

    Let's hope that this is the start of a new resurgence of trust between the mass of the people of Britain and the latest version of The Labour Party.

    The status-quo is just too horrible to contemplate !

    Dont hold your breath Pap. I predict the same philosphical clap trap that Blair came out with, which if I'm correct was also a speech written by Ed Milliband.

    Am I right there ?

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