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    More EU Delusion

    Post by Technician on Wed 07 Sep 2011, 9:47 am

    Hi All,

    I make no excuses for posting this thread here, as the antics of these muppets in the EU will cost all the British consumers dear. Yesterday Jean Claude Trichet ( President of the European Central Bank...what a surprise !), advocated that ALL European nations will be 'forced' into a single federal government to 'avoid future economic meltdown'. He also said that the European economic crisis is deepening.

    Of course this is music to Mrs Merkel ( already facing pressure from a p****d off German public who are sick of taking the major hit in bailing out failing countries ) as she sees the German economy as the powerhouse to engineer this. These remarks further indicate that the EU is splitting in two, between unified eurozone countries and non euro countries like Britain.

    Here we see the rationale of these power hungry dictators who never 'want to let the dream die' just because it isn't working !!.
    Best of all the little creep Van Rompey ( The EU's unelected president )has suddently outlined his ambition to be leader of the 'United States of Europe'. His dream of forming the EU into a superstate is everyone elses nightmare!!!. The British people are overwhelmingly in favour of a referendum on Europe, but we aint got one. Cameron is running s***t scared on that, as he knows full well that we would vote to get out and stay out.

    We are entering a situation in which the bailed out countries ( lets start with Greece and Ireland )are once again generating concerns over debt. Italy is now close to the edge. Throwing wads of cash at them only staves off the pain for a matter of weeks or months. In the UK we have downgraded growth forecasts, and have a 40% probability of hitting a double dip recession. In the words of Ian R Crane ( Financial Researcher and ex Oil Corporation Executive ):

    "Western governments have lost contact with the people, social reality and Humanity in general. We are firmly ensconsed in a time of chaos, brought to a head by the contrived banking crisis, collapsing economies, rising unemployment and capped by completely absurd and unnecessary austerity measures; targeted primarily at the lower echelons of society.
    Those who believe themselves to be the Rightful Rulers of a Planetary Fiefdom are becoming increasingly desperate to establish their One World Corporation. ( The EU ) Their vision is for total control of all planetary resources including the Human Resources."

    Lets hope Crane is wrong here, but things are getting increasingly worrying for the dictators of the EU

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    Re: More EU Delusion

    Post by papa_umau on Wed 07 Sep 2011, 11:15 am

    I guess that all this comes down to is the instability of the European Union as it stands and in some people's eyes a need for the EU to be stronger, more integrated and more accountable via a proper democracy.

    Personally I cannot blame them for wanting this as a loose connection of European countries under the Treaty of Rome has proven not to be good enough to sustain a viable greater Europe.

    Curiously I have always wished for a stronger Europe and I too think that the best way to do this is to form up a United States of Europe and make the whole entity into a Federal Republic, ( including Britain at the helm of course ).

    As you will have noticed before Technician, I have always agreed that the EU as it stands is a mismatched conglomeration of weak and strong states with some of the signatories of the Treaty of Rome - like us - trying to cherry-pick the best out of Europe and to stand back when anyone talks of a true Economic Monetary Union, ( EMU ).

    I am sure that eventually this is what WILL happen and at that point the states that are real - or not - about a greater Europe will get the chance to either be IN or OUT and will no longer be able to just play at supporting a Greater European entity.

    Of course if this DOES happen the unelected bosses in Brussels will all have to get the sack and be replaced by a truly democratic governance.

    When I talk of a "United States of Europe" I like to compare any such entity with how America works and if this model is used and it is created in a similar fashion I see no reason why it should not promise a great future for Europe.


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    Post by Technician on Wed 07 Sep 2011, 3:08 pm

    Hi,

    I think that is a very measured and reasoned reply on your part papa_umau !. That is depite it being against the view of the majority of UK citizens.

    We will have to differ on this one I am afraid !. These powermongers just will not give in and never take no for an answer. I still say that in the not too distant future this lot are going to be subject to a groundswell of negative public oppinion, particularly in the UK.

    It is thanks to them and their obsessive focus on re-cycling and global warming that we have approx 500 added to our fuel bills each year, and despite the 're-cycling' done by Joe public over 50% still goes to landfill....Total muppets!!!

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    Re: More EU Delusion

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 08 Sep 2011, 2:04 pm

    Yes Technician, we have little to argue about concerning a lot of the details of the flaws in the European Union and I would hope that once the member states REALLY feel like part of something great they will stop squabbling amongst themselves and start to feel like a single entity.

    There are anti's right across Europe and not just in Britain but I think that most of the fears there are based on xenophobia and little else.

    I am sure that when the final draft of a unified Europe is put to and explained to the Brits many of the people that are at the moment frightened of Europe will be happy to be European before being British or even, in my case, Scottish. Of course this does not mean that being a total partner in a greater Europe will mean that we will lose any of our sovereignty as nation races.

    The individual United States are proud of their sovereignty as Texans or Californians or Floridians et-al but there is no nation prouder of it's position in the world than the "Americans" are under the stars and stripes.

    I am a but jealous of this condition and really want Europe to be like that eventually. I hope that in the long run and after the details are worked out....IT WILL.


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    Re: More EU Delusion

    Post by Hell's Granny on Sat 10 Sep 2011, 11:32 am

    How long will it take to overcome the old resentments left over from the wars? I think that until all those who were involved have passed on, and Hollywood stops putting out war films of this era, it will remain a focus of Euro-racialism.

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    Re: More EU Delusion

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 10 Sep 2011, 12:21 pm

    I think that you have hit one of the major problem "nails" right on the head.

    Yes, there IS still a lot of animosity between the member states and especially among the ones that were on either side of the historical Nazi power-base divide and the hard-left Communist philosphy divide. I think that the answer to this is for these people to simply die off and for a young, new and fresh Europe to rise up without such prejudices.

    As you say HG, it WILL take a long time for this problem to work itself out and with this in mind I think that we should not expect anything important to happen along these lines without many more years of European evolution.

    There are many people, just like me, that are already ready for this change but there are still too many visonless and prejudiced ones out there for this to happen very soon.


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