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    The Privatisation of the public transport systems.

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    Re: The Privatisation of the public transport systems.

    Post by Shuggy on Sat 25 Jun 2011, 11:08 am

    jim wrote:1979
    Unemployment: 1.4m

    2007
    Unemployment: 1.7m


    Source: Unemployment: ONS Labour Force Survey.

    So much for Labour creating jobs


    The Blair party did create jobs mainly in the public sector and allowed an open door emigration policy to fill them.
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    Re: The Privatisation of the public transport systems.

    Post by papa_umau on Sat 25 Jun 2011, 12:24 pm

    Shuggy wrote:
    jim wrote:1979
    Unemployment: 1.4m

    2007
    Unemployment: 1.7m


    Source: Unemployment: ONS Labour Force Survey.

    So much for Labour creating jobs


    The Blair party did create jobs mainly in the public sector and allowed an open door emigration policy to fill them.

    Jim, if we are going to bander employment numbers about it is better not to be memory-selective to the argument.

    Please let us consider the 3 million unemployed that were recorded while Thatcher and Major were in charge.


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    Post by Parliament.... on Sat 25 Jun 2011, 12:30 pm

    papa_umau wrote:
    Shuggy wrote:
    jim wrote:1979
    Unemployment: 1.4m

    2007
    Unemployment: 1.7m


    Source: Unemployment: ONS Labour Force Survey.

    So much for Labour creating jobs


    The Blair party did create jobs mainly in the public sector and allowed an open door emigration policy to fill them.

    Jim, if we are going to bander employment numbers about it is better not to be memory-selective to the argument.

    Please let us consider the 3 million unemployed that were recorded while Thatcher and Major were in charge.

    And many areas of Britain have never recovered, including the mines. Young people have been thrown on the scrap heap.

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    Post by jim on Sat 25 Jun 2011, 12:59 pm

    You want to blame the coalition government and the Thatcher/Major administrations for all the problems.
    Governments of all countries are struggling with the global economic situation.
    It's far worse in some other countries ,especially those in the Euro currency .


    The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) said in a working document that this year youth unemployment could be 20.5% on average in its thirty member countries and around 24% for the European Union ( EU), with a peak in Spain, where there could be a turning point in the upward trend at the end of the year.
    Youth unemployment in Spain will remain above 40% until at least 2011.
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    Post by papa_umau on Sat 25 Jun 2011, 1:30 pm

    jim wrote:1979
    Unemployment: 1.4m

    2007
    Unemployment: 1.7m

    Source: Unemployment: ONS Labour Force Survey.

    So much for Labour creating jobs

    Jim....

    You started to throw unemployment numbers about and give them a connection with the political servants of the time.

    NOW... are you trying to blame the international climate for these rises in unemployment ?

    A few people in British political history, ( usually Tories like Norman Lamont ), have used the term "High unemployment is a price worth paying" when they have used it as a tool to counter inflation or other flaws in our economy, but such cynical uses of unemployment as a management tool have now been accepted as a cruel and brutal way of doing the job.

    See THIS.


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    Post by Parliament.... on Sat 25 Jun 2011, 4:02 pm

    papa_umau wrote:
    jim wrote:1979
    Unemployment: 1.4m

    2007
    Unemployment: 1.7m

    Source: Unemployment: ONS Labour Force Survey.

    So much for Labour creating jobs

    Jim....

    You started to throw unemployment numbers about and give them a connection with the political servants of the time.

    NOW... are you trying to blame the international climate for these rises in unemployment ?

    A few people in British political history, ( usually Tories like Norman Lamont ), have used the term "High unemployment is a price worth paying" when they have used it as a tool to counter inflation or other flaws in our economy, but such cynical uses of unemployment as a management tool have now been accepted as a cruel and brutal way of doing the job.

    See THIS.

    Pap, Unemployment during the Thatcher Major years was caused by privatisation laying off workers.

    It was caused by inward competition running down wages creating job losses and mass unemployment, while the Tory's abolished any Labour laws we had then.


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    Post by jim on Sat 25 Jun 2011, 5:07 pm

    while the Tory's abolished any Labour laws we had then.

    and 13 years of Labour government did nothing to reverse these laws ,because they did not want to return to the
    1970's industrial strife ?
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    Post by Shuggy on Sat 25 Jun 2011, 5:51 pm

    jim wrote:while the Tory's abolished any Labour laws we had then.

    and 13 years of Labour government did nothing to reverse these laws ,because they did not want to return to the
    1970's industrial strife ?

    Just what is the difference between the two parties they are both run by well off people so you could say in real terms we have two conservative parties, just flying different flags. We will never again have a left wing labour party, certainly not in my life time. Myself when I vote I look at the people and ignor the flag which means nothing, and hope I choose right.



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    Post by papa_umau on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 12:57 pm

    Ivanhoe said - and I quote:

    Pap, Unemployment during the Thatcher Major years was caused by privatisation laying off workers.

    It was caused by inward competition running down wages creating job losses and mass unemployment, while the Tory's abolished any Labour laws we had then.

    And I say...Did you even read what was in the link I supplied that explained why it was thought by some right-wingers that "High unemployment was a price worth paying" ?



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    Post by papa_umau on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 1:13 pm

    Jim said...and I quote:

    while the Tory's abolished any Labour laws we had then.

    and 13 years of Labour government did nothing to reverse these laws ,because they did not want to return to the
    1970's industrial strife ?

    And I say that he is right on both points as The Tories - under Thatcher - simply decimated the laws that gave the unions their historical strength and the 13 years of Labour government were actually thirteen years of New-Labour government. The two visions of what makes a Labour party are not the same !

    Shuggy said....and I quote:

    Just what is the difference between the two parties they are both run by well off people so you could say in real terms we have two conservative parties, just flying different flags. We will never again have a left wing labour party, certainly not in my life time. Myself when I vote I look at the people and ignor the flag which means nothing, and hope I choose right.

    And as I said above - to Jim - The old Tories and the New-Labourites could not be separated by the thickness of a ritzla paper, ( or words to that effect Smile )

    As far as not having a "left-wing Labour party - in government - in my lifetime " is concerned...I think that if Ed Miliband can change the Labour party - while in opposition - to include the best of the old Labour party and the best of the New-Labour party I can see this latest manifestation of "Labour" being the kind of middle-of-the-left government that many of the British voters can get behind.

    By the time that the Tory/Lib-Dem coalition implodes - which it surely will, I might suggest that by that time the people will be so sick of the poorly-thought-out Con-Dem policies that they will be ripe for another crack at some kind of a Socialist government.

    At least I hope so ! Twisted Evil






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    Post by Parliament.... on Tue 28 Jun 2011, 11:05 pm

    papa_umau wrote:Jim said...and I quote:

    while the Tory's abolished any Labour laws we had then.

    and 13 years of Labour government did nothing to reverse these laws ,because they did not want to return to the
    1970's industrial strife ?

    And I say that he is right on both points as The Tories - under Thatcher - simply decimated the laws that gave the unions their historical strength and the 13 years of Labour government were actually thirteen years of New-Labour government. The two visions of what makes a Labour party are not the same !

    Shuggy said....and I quote:

    Just what is the difference between the two parties they are both run by well off people so you could say in real terms we have two conservative parties, just flying different flags. We will never again have a left wing labour party, certainly not in my life time. Myself when I vote I look at the people and ignor the flag which means nothing, and hope I choose right.

    And as I said above - to Jim - The old Tories and the New-Labourites could not be separated by the thickness of a ritzla paper, ( or words to that effect Smile )

    As far as not having a "left-wing Labour party - in government - in my lifetime " is concerned...I think that if Ed Miliband can change the Labour party - while in opposition - to include the best of the old Labour party and the best of the New-Labour party I can see this latest manifestation of "Labour" being the kind of middle-of-the-left government that many of the British voters can get behind.

    By the time that the Tory/Lib-Dem coalition implodes - which it surely will, I might suggest that by that time the people will be so sick of the poorly-thought-out Con-Dem policies that they will be ripe for another crack at some kind of a Socialist government.

    At least I hope so ! Twisted Evil





    Pap. I know so.

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