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    Scotland to set it's own tax rates

    Post by Jennie on Fri 28 Jan 2011, 12:32 pm

    Scotland is to be able to keep 10% of the higher 50% tax rate in a further attempt to become completely independent of the UK in general. However, there is a guarentee of 500 million 'loan' if it fails to raise enough revenew I wonder where this 'loan' will come from.

    If Scotland truly wants it's independence it should bite the bullet and raise it's own taxes totally from its residents and pay for its own services including free university places, its health care, welfare bill, police,armed forces and everything else the 'state' pays for.

    Seems to me they want the best of both worlds as usual.
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    Re: Scotland to set it's own tax rates

    Post by papa_umau on Fri 28 Jan 2011, 1:18 pm

    Hi Jenny and welcome to the good ship ROB !

    As a Scot and a nationalist I can see where you are coming from.

    Ever since the oil-revenue off our shores was sucked up and went to the Westminster government to spend we have seen a resurgence of the Nationalist cause. ( Not surprising really ).

    After the Tories in Westminster fought long and hard AGAINST devolution to the other countries of this united kingdom they were finally forced to give in and give Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland a bit of autonomy.

    The Barnett formula and the latest Calman Commission then decided just how much of the taxes we pay to central government could come back to us in order to pay for our needs directly instead of through the treasury. Some subjects were devolved and totally handed over to our own individuaal governments or assemblies and some subjects were kept reserved to the national government.

    I am sure that if we up here in Scotland got ALL of our national taxes back we would not need loans from anybody and the money raised here could then be spent here instead of it going to the central treasury and being dished out to us as if we need a hand-out in order to run our own affairs.

    The whole subject of devolution and who should spend what is a very complex subject and the subject of total nationalism/independence is also a very complex and emotive subject. Too complex to be easily sorted out in this little forum - I might suggest.


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    Re: Scotland to set it's own tax rates

    Post by Angie baby on Sat 29 Jan 2011, 12:33 pm

    Hi Jenny. I think that if Scotland and Wales were allowed to raise taxes from their own people there would be no need for such "loans".

    Although I am not a nationalist I can see why people far removed from London might want more autonomy in raising required revenue and also in the freedom to spend it as they wish.

    This in my estimation should include the North of England too.

    Don't you agree ?
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    Re: Scotland to set it's own tax rates

    Post by papa_umau on Sun 30 Jan 2011, 12:05 pm

    Too right Angie !

    I have always said that the people in the north of the country, ( England ), do not get a fair deal from Westminster and when they see Scotland Ireland and Wales winning their own parliaments and assemblies they must feel badly done by.


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    Re: Scotland to set it's own tax rates

    Post by Parliament.... on Wed 09 Feb 2011, 10:22 pm

    Jennie wrote:Scotland is to be able to keep 10% of the higher 50% tax rate in a further attempt to become completely independent of the UK in general. However, there is a guarentee of 500 million 'loan' if it fails to raise enough revenew I wonder where this 'loan' will come from.

    If Scotland truly wants it's independence it should bite the bullet and raise it's own taxes totally from its residents and pay for its own services including free university places, its health care, welfare bill, police,armed forces and everything else the 'state' pays for.

    Seems to me they want the best of both worlds as usual.

    I never believed in the devolution of Scotand and Wales from the UK Parliament. Because since the poll tax, local taxes have increased to fund local services and not income tax to fund those same services, as a consequence, the whole of the UK has been broken up and is being slowly devolved into localism.

    Cameron's big Society is a huge part of this devolution, this localism, but even if the coalition was destroyed tommorrow, I dont see any other party returning Britain to its former self, ie a United Kingdom.

    I would have respect for a United Kingdom, where the Welsh, the Scottish and the English all spoke from same songsheet politically.
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    Re: Scotland to set it's own tax rates

    Post by papa_umau on Thu 10 Feb 2011, 11:16 am

    I think that that is simply wishful thinking Ivanhoe, as the nations in Scotland Ireland and Wales do want their own autonomy even if many of the people in those countries do not actually want seperation or a break up of the United Kingdom.

    I guess it is all about being able to spend our own tax receipts on our own needs rather than having to wait - cap-in-hand - for the generousity - or not - of the central treasury.

    I think that you have to feel the nationalistic desires before you can understand why the sovereign nations within the United Kingdom want a properly and fairly devolved set of controls given to us.

    In fact I feel that the better the devolution is worked out the quieter the nationalists will become. The Calman Commission should work towards this end if it is not too heavily watered down by the devolution-hating Tories.


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    Re: Scotland to set it's own tax rates

    Post by zathrus on Thu 17 Feb 2011, 11:53 am

    If I was a Scot what I would worry about is if this is just instituted as an added tax on top of what you might already pay to the British treasury.

    The opposition parties have talked about this so-called "tartan-tax" for many years.

    I don't think that the Scots could handle any more taxation, do you ?
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    Re: Scotland to set it's own tax rates

    Post by papa_umau on Sun 27 Feb 2011, 12:11 pm

    Good point Zath'. I think the idea is to raise the tax internally for using in Scotland and for the same amount to be taken OFF the individuals tax bill to the central treasury. This would - in fact - create a Scottish treasury where the money raised in Scotland via taxation would be spent in Scotland. Seems pretty fair to me.

    The only one that would cause some problems would be the collection of VAT as I think that that would STILL be collected in scotland and put in the central treasury.

    The only way that we would be able to keep our VAT tax-payments would be if Scotland was to become truly independent.

    I cannot see that happening in the near future, can you ?


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