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    The Scottish and Southern energy/Hydro Board saga

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    The Scottish and Southern energy/Hydro Board saga

    Post by papa_umau on Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:45 pm

    THE SAGA BEGINS


    Foreword.....

    Many of you will already know of "the corporate bully syndrome" as you will have seen it both here and on the old "ROB" and you will recognise it when you have see it in past newspaper and TV articles. The TV programme, Watchdog, has shown this phenomenon on many occasions.

    One of the very special qualities of this syndrome is that when the big bully corporate entities are faced with exposure on national TV or in national newspapers they always cave in and usually finally admit that they were wrong and that they apologise for any mistakes that have been made. THIS is in fact a very common occurence !

    NOW...my story in some detail.....

    As a very responsible and careful consumer I have always paid my bills via variable direct debit as this is the most hassle-free way to do it and this method usually comes with discounts attached to such payments.

    I have been with the Hydro Electric Board, ( better known as Southern and Scottish Energy group ), for close on twenty years and up until this point I can say that I have been very happy with the way they have serviced my energy needs. In fact I was so pleased with the way that they did things that when I moved back into the central belt in August 2007 I asked them to supply me with gas as well as electricity. This "dual-fuel" deal seemed to be a good way to save money.

    Everything went well until I realised last year that I was missing a bill and phoned to get one. At the same time it was admitted by the office that I had phoned that they had "accidentally omitted" to actually read my meter at the six months point. This meant that I had not had a proper reading done on my electricity meter for close on a year. My call seemed to generate a lot of activity at the billing department of The Hydro Board and soon I had received a number of overlapping bills on different tariffs and rates and discounts which were very confusing. I received one bill that stated that I was £431.23 in debit for one period and that my monthly payments would have to rise from £60.00 per month to £101.00 per month. I was rather surprised at this but as I - at this point - trusted them to get it right, I agreed to this change of direct debit payments.

    My home and it's general energy needs....

    Before I go on I feel that I have to tell you all about my little home and what my energy-usage normally is:

    As my wife and I - and nobody else - now live in a modern two-bedroomed semi-detached villa with double-glazing and high-quality insulation throughout I have found that this home is a very warm, cosy and easy to heat building. As all of our central heating and water heating and half of our cooking is done using gas I do not expect my electricity bills to be anything surprising. In fact I removed all of the tungsten filament bulbs in the house and replaced them wih low voltage ones as soon as I arrived at this address. The only lights that are liable to use a lot of power are the three flood-lights around my property and as they are serious energy-users I have adjusted them back to only one minute of "on" time every time a person walks near during darkness hours. ( This seldom actually happens ).

    With all of this in mind I do not expect that my home will use any more electricity than any other average home of the same type might use. After a recent enquiry to customer services at The Hydro Board about why I had not had a recent bill I was sent one based on a reading I took myself. When it arrived it showed that after eight monthly payments of £101.00 totalling £808.00 I was only £15.00 in credit. ( bells started to ring that something was wrong ! )

    I checked back all of the payments that were - according to my bank statements - made by me over the past year and found that adding up the eight payments at £101.00 per month plus four payments at £60.00, plus a £200.00 amount that I had transferred over from my in-credit gas account I had actually paid to them £1,248 over a twelve month period between August 2008 and August 2009.

    I e-mailed the payment office and asked if there had been a mistake ! This triggered a flurry of e-mails where their so-called billing experts added up all of the numerous ESTIMATED accounts that I had been given over this period and they then told me that the £15.00 credit was right and that I HAD in fact used that much electricity even although these calculations were mostly based on my estimated usage of electricity. When I suggested that maybe they had added two of these estimations together instead of counting them and the units-used all serially they refused to admit to this or to any other mistake. I have since been given the runaround between higher and higher members of that billing office and none of them seem to be able to find out where the miscalculation has been made. In fact it is beginning to look like they are all just repeating the same mistakes over and over again in a habitual fashion with - it would seem - no desire to actually find out what has gone wrong.

    How many times in the past - as I said above - have we seen this syndrome occur and how many times has it taken the influence of some powerful entity like the TV programme "Watchdog" or some consumer column of a national newspaper to make corporate bullies like these relent and finally admit they are wrong ?

    I have already stated that if they do not admit to having made a billing mistake here I will move to another dual-fuel supplier and one thing will become very self evident; these particular corporate bully-boy tactics against a couple of pensioners will not come out of the wash looking very clean.

    Yes, I do plan to write to my national Scottish newspaper consumer column, "The judge" and I do also plan to write a letter to the TV consumer programme "Watchdog".

    Watch this space...........


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    UPDATE !

    Post by papa_umau on Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:50 pm

    This story can also be seen on the excellent Pensioners forum..... HERE

    http://www.pensionersforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,428.new.html


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    Re: The Scottish and Southern energy/Hydro Board saga

    Post by zathrus on Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:23 pm

    Nice one Paps !

    Something certainly sounds very wrong there !

    Mind you I bet that none of them are much more cheaper than any of the others if really close comparisons are made.

    I have been reading recently that these "dual fuel" deals are now actually becoming a honey-trap to attract the "flies" that are not as discriminating as other more sensible people might be. In other words there are now some much better deals going for those that actually look at single energy contracts instead of packaged ones. I will be having a good look at this in the near future.

    I will NOT be going near Scottish and Southern Energy group either. Thanks for the edge-up mate.

    Oh, and by-the-by... did you see the half page advert for the Hydro Board DUAL-FUEL deal in the national newspapers today. They are amusingly offering the "cheapest dual-fuel deal in town". They also say that because they don't pay a commission to price-comparison websites they "will pass this saving on to you".

    I am sure that you will be pleased to hear that one eh Paps ?


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    Re: The Scottish and Southern energy/Hydro Board saga

    Post by papa_umau on Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:47 am

    Thanks for that Zath' I will keep it in mind when I start to go looking for a new supplier ! VERY SOON.


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    Re: The Scottish and Southern energy/Hydro Board saga

    Post by Angie baby on Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:59 pm

    Wow, you didn't miss them Papa, did you ?

    Mind you I doubt very much if your efforts are going to change the minds of these monsters as really all they care about is the bottom line.

    If I knew of a good energy company that I could suggest to you I would give you that advice, but I am of the opinion that they are all the same. All they want is as much of your money as they can get their sticky hands on.

    I do think that going once again for single contracts, as suggested by our Zathrus, is a good idea and that dual-fuel deals are now not worth the paper they are printed on.

    BTW, I heard that advert for the Hydro board on my car radio today and when I did I smiled and thought of you. Twisted Evil

    I am glad I am not with that greedy mob !


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    Re: The Scottish and Southern energy/Hydro Board saga

    Post by papa_umau on Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:56 pm

    Thanks Angie....

    I just hope that my posting here will forewarn a lot of people about the unhelpful and intransigent billing practices at the Hydro Board.

    I am now off to write to my national Sunday newspaper and to the Watchdog TV programme to try to forewarn a few more people.


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    Re: The Scottish and Southern energy/Hydro Board saga

    Post by zathrus on Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:34 pm

    What surprises me Paps is that they didn't even offer a goodwill payment to keep you with them. This suggests that they don't give a damn if they lose your custom or not.

    Better shot of them I think !


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    Re: The Scottish and Southern energy/Hydro Board saga

    Post by papa_umau on Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:12 pm

    Yes Zath', that IS usually the line that they take and in doing so they also usually make sure that they do NOT admit any liability when they do it.

    It seems that Scottish and Southern Energy, ( The Hydro Board ), don't give a damn if I stay with them or not. Maybe this is because they are making quite enough profits already eh ?

    In any case I have already intiated a switch to Scottish Gas for my duel-fuel account and by doing so I have ensured that that couldn't-care-less company are getting no more of MY money.

    I hope that many more people have seen this and that this saga encourages them to do exactly the same.


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    Re: The Scottish and Southern energy/Hydro Board saga

    Post by zathrus Yesterday at 12:39 pm

    All the best to you mate !

    I only hope a lot of people will benefit from your experiences. I certainly will not ever go with that greedy bunch.


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    Re: The Scottish and Southern energy/Hydro Board saga

    Post by papa_umau Today at 11:34 am

    As my first step against these corporate bullies I have moved my dual-fuel account to Scottish Gas. I hope I can rely on them better than I could with the other mob.

    We shall see !

    One thing I CAN do with Scottish Gas - which I couldn't do with The Hydro Board - is to get one of their power-usage monitors installed for free; with that I can keep a close eye on how much electricity I am really consuming on a day-to-day basis.

    If it does nothing else it will prove to me that I was right or wrong about The Hydro Board overcharging me.

    Watch this space........


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    Re: The Scottish and Southern energy/Hydro Board saga

    Post by Angie baby Today at 11:43 am

    If I read it right you have to be on a "capped" contact to get that free power monitor.

    As they are talking about putting prices up again maybe a capped contract would be the right place to go for you ?


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