I am sure that we all think about 7/7 amd 9/11 as we go about our daily lives in the West and with these thoughts in mind I was wondering why and how the Muslim clerics do not keep a tighter watch on the people who are radicalising our teenage Muslims ?

A report in the Sunday Times shows that ordinary Mosques are breeding grounds for fundamentalist jehadis and while the hate-filled Mullahs are radicalising our Islamicist children to become suicide bombers it seems that the Muslim hierarchy that are supposed to be in control of what happens in the mosques do not seem to care that children are being radicalised right under their noses. Either that or they DO know what is going on and they are turning a blind eye to these practices.

I would like to think that the security services are watching these radicals and if they are why is there not more of them deported for sedition ?

See THIS

"I would like to think that the security services are watching these radicals and if they are why is there not more of them deported for sedition ?"

Maybe it's because the British Government want it to happen? They are looking for any excuse to keep up the scaremongering, hype and fear of terrorism, to give them a platform to introduce even more Orwellian legislation.

Andrew

So, perceived government policies aside, do you believe that children are being radicalised in British mosques ?

And if you do, what do you think we - or they - should do about this ?

I do not believe Muslims are being radicalised, I believe Islam is, by its very nature, a radicalist beast anyway. So what you call radicalisation, to them is just normality.

Islam is pretty much the same now as Christianity was hundreds of years ago but maybe even a bit more brutal.

Andrew

Islam was radicalised during the crusades jihad 'holy war', or 'bellum sacrum Original term, constant attacks such as Iraq do nothing to remove the sense of the Christian west or the latest crusaders attacking another bellum sacrum.

Like all religions it’s the good and the bad and the very bad I wouldn’t underestimate Christian fundamentalism and other conservative Christian groups - aka the Christian right growing more and more radical either the difference is they don’t get the press the Muslims do.

"We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country," Randall Terry, religious activist and founder of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue. "We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the Ten Commandments, no apologies."

The ongoing violence in the Middle East - stoked by the US invasion of Iraq - was also seen by televangelist Jerry Falwell. as part of God's apocalyptic designs.

"Aids is not just God's punishment for homosexuality; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuality,"

"This vile and satanic system will one day be utterly annihilated and there'll be a celebration in heaven."

What people need to remember is that a majority of Muslims like Christians are peace loving decent individuals extremist‘s focus on the weak minded to do they bidding Muslim religious leaders are not elected.

For some reason I don't believe this stuff. My experience is that kids would rather have fun than go to church and follow a religion. I am sure muslims are no different in this respect and making them go to church or whatever they call them is as big a task as it is in the west. Radicalisation is just a ruse dreamt up to justify homeland security by people like Dick Cheney and you know what happened to him!

Red

Well, on this forum you are all welcome to your opinions and so am I: I do feel that certain mosques ARE being used to radicalise our Muslim children into turning into jehadis and as has been said, even although the large percentage of Islamicists are peace-loving people more and more of them are now having their heads turned by hatred for the West.

I will not get into the argument as to whether we deserve to be hated like that as although we have done some terrible things in the past in the name of religion, so have the others.

I do NOT believe that all muslims living in Britain are potential jehadis simply because their religion is radical, as not all of their religion is fundamentalist in nature.

What I do find strange is that the hierarchy of the Muslim church seem to do nothing to try to cut down on such things happening in their mosques. Maybe this is because - unlike the Christian religion - they do not have any true hierarchy or regulated form of top to bottom control of their religious practices.

The local Mullah holds all of the power and there is no Pope-type or Dali-Lama-type or Archbishop-type figures that have the ultimate power of how the religion should be structured. This means that every local group can be as radical/or not as they want to and there is nobody in charge to tell them differently.

That, to me, is the scariest thing about the Muslim religion !

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“I do feel that certain mosques ARE being used to radicalise our Muslim children into turning into jehadis“.

Think-tank Civitas looked into Britain’s Muslims schools and found no evidence that children are being taught to become jihadists, but did find that some such schools are encouraging pupils to despise the society around them, to view themselves as victims and to feel like outsiders.

This backed up by extremist’s at mosque in my view could lead to the poisoning of a Childs mind http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2653266/Preachers-of-separatism-at-work-inside-Britains-mosques.html is a good read for those that don’t believe there is a problem.

I think the major problem we have and the Muslim community has is that a lot of hate preachers come from countries such as Saudi Arabia were the extreme version of Islam is taught most religion have they extreme versions just at this point in time all the resentment from the past is boiling over.

What can we do ? I seem to remember Blair speaking on creating Muslim preacher schools in Britain for British Muslims making it more difficult for hard liners to infiltrate from hard line country’s. don’t know if that idea was followed through.

Have any of you ever been inside a mosque? I went to a Jewish wedding once and apart from making it clear who are the chosen ones there was no radicalisation. Like I said something tells me this is all hype to justify all those billions of tax dollars on homeland security

Red

Read the story in the link, there’s many more on the web but I agree many Muslims are just as caught up in western life as any other young person that’s why the extremists try to alienate Muslims away from western culture.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2653266/Preachers-of-separatism-at-work-inside-Britains-mosques.html

Yes when in primary schools I went to a mosque and again in secondary school there is a mosque near were I am living now.

I will be honest the first time I walked past and there seemed to be hundreds standing out side waiting to go in I freaked out a little but would have no issue now even though things are suppose to be more radical ( I think its hyped by the press but does exist ) it was just strange at that time.

Since than ive travelled around the world especially to Egypt multiple times and ive never found a Muslim I didn’t like for me they are kind, caring helpful people.

Like all such radicalisation you will not find it in the mainstream teachings. If you want to see it it is there in rooms annexed to the main prayer-room


In Britain it is well underground but it does happen with the tacit approval of the local mullahs as they are afraid to stand out in public against this radicalisation. Once the youngsters are caught up in the basics of it all what then happens is that they find themselves being whisked away to training camps in Afghanistan, Iran or Northern Pakistan. They come back as true jehadis and then slide easily into the background until they are needed.

This is NOT a conspiracy theory, it is the truth, and the incidents in London on 7/7 and at Glasgow airport prove that it is real and it is happening right now.

Theres always extremists in any religion and by singling out the muslims the goverment are encoraging race hatred.

Red

Yes ive made that point there are extremists in any religion but how many have the capacity to cause events such as 9.11 and the London bombings currently ? The majority need to expose the extreme minority with the London bombings people asked what did the government do to stop this, we all expect the government to stop any more attacks so this is not a problem that can be ignored.

The Irish did a pretty good job - Bader Meinhof - Arafart and the PLA - ETA... I bet if they hadn't wasted all that money on dual language road signs in Wales you would be seeing sheep exploding all over England right now.

Red

“did” the operative word.

How can you waste money on bilingual signs they are only made bilingual once the old signs are at the end of they life so no wastage, that’s why it took so long to fully implement.